RILEY HEAD CONVERSION

[RAT-T]

HELLO ALL,

WAS THERE EVER A RILEY HEAD CONVERSION OFFERED IN A KIT?

THANKS,  TOM

[Toner283]

IIRC there is a Riley OHV banger setup in the Revell model A sedan. Either the sedan or the woody but I think the sedan. None kitted for a flatty that I know of.

 

[chunkypeanutbutter]

Yep, the Revell '31 Ford Sedan.

[Art Anderson]

It would be in either one, actually.  When Revell did the '31 Model A kits back 50 years ago, they came with both the station wagon AND the Tudor sedan bodies, but with exactly the same chrome tree.  Thus, that chrome tree is a part of any reissue of either body, considering that those are the only two 1931 Model A Fords ever done in 1/25 scale.

Art

[FordRodnKustom]

The early AMT '29 had one too. Not sure if it's in any later issues.

[RAT-T]

THANKS FOR THE INFO GUYS, RON, THANKS FOR THE IMAGE, I FOUND A '31 SEDAN IN MY COLLECTION, THE INSTRUCTIONS SHOW TO ATTACH THE INTAKE TO THE BLOCK, NOT THE HEAD, 

FOUND THIS ON GOOGLE

[Ace-Garageguy]

 THE INSTRUCTIONS SHOW TO ATTACH THE INTAKE TO THE BLOCK, NOT THE HEAD, 

All my Revell '31 sedan and woody kits have the same assembly drawing (with slightly different shading) and they both show the intake manifold attached to the head, which is correct...like your photo.

There is also a Riley 4-port head conversion for the model A engine that was never kitted.

Two-port in the foreground, Riley 4-port in background. As you see, the 4-port moves the intake ports to the other side of the head.

 

Edited October 7, 2015 by Ace-Garageguy

[RAT-T]

YEAH, I WAS PRETTY SURE IT WENT INTO THE HEAD, I SAW ONE AT A CAR SHOW A FEW YEARS BACK, BUT COULDN'T REMEMBER. THE KIT I HAVE IS THE '31 SEDAN 2 IN 1 WITH THE DARK GRAY & GREEN CARS ON THE COVER INSTRUCTIONS ARE DATED 2002.

THE 4 PORT LOOKS COOL, ALSO SAW A MILLER & A FEW OTHER OHV CONVERSIONS ON GOOGLE

[Greg Myers]

Threads like this make this board what it is, Thanks everybody. 

[Toner283]

It would be in either one, actually.  When Revell did the '31 Model A kits back 50 years ago, they came with both the station wagon AND the Tudor sedan bodies, but with exactly the same chrome tree.  Thus, that chrome tree is a part of any reissue of either body, considering that those are the only two 1931 Model A Fords ever done in 1/25 scale.

Art

I thought that one had the Riley OHV and the other had the Winfield head. Which kit had the Winfield head?

 

Edited October 7, 2015 by Toner283
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[Brett Barrow]

The pickup has the Winfield head.

Edited October 7, 2015 by Brett Barrow

[Junkman]

The Riley was also in the Revell Mother's Cherry Pie '31 Sedan Delivery, that was around for a decade or three.

[Daddyfink]

[Aaronw]

The pickup has the Winfield head.

The Revell '29 Ratrod 3 in 1 pickup?

[Ace-Garageguy]

This one definitely has the Winfield head...         

...and because this one is a repop of the tooling above, it should have the Winfield head as well (though I'm not positive)...     

Edited October 8, 2015 by Ace-Garageguy

[Art Anderson]

This one definitely has the Winfield head...         

...and because this one is a repop of the tooling above, it should have the Winfield head as well (though I'm not positive)...     

It would, seeing as how the chrome tree for the '29 Pickup is markedly different from that in the '31 Sedan & '31 Station Wagon.  The Winfield head (as with the Riley head stuff in the '31 kits) is an integral part of this parts tree.

 

Art

[Skip]

Art, Looks like the Winfield head in the Rat Rod version, at least it's th same head as the Red Hot Rod version had.  Both have such thick chrome that the Winfield can't be read if it's there.

Part B of the question:  Do any of the aftermarket Resin Casters do the Riley Head in Resin?  Since you're going to have to strip the chrome off of the head anyway you might as well start with a clean casting.

[Art Anderson]

Art, Looks like the Winfield head in the Rat Rod version, at least it's th same head as the Red Hot Rod version had.  Both have such thick chrome that the Winfield can't be read if it's there.

Part B of the question:  Do any of the aftermarket Resin Casters do the Riley Head in Resin?  Since you're going to have to strip the chrome off of the head anyway you might as well start with a clean casting.

Strip the chrome off, leave in the stripper until the lacquer pre-coat is at least softened so you can scrub it off with a toothbrush--the engraving should be nice and crisp.

 

[Mark]

I've heard that the HOT ROD issue of the pickup has a different (retooled) chrome tree from earlier issues, and the chrome cylinder head on that tree does not have "Winfield" lettering.  That would pretty much make it look like a chrome-plated stock head.  The original tree was (supposedly) restored to the Rat Rod and subsequent issues, and so has the Winfield head with the lettering.

The Rat Rod and later issues have a 100% stock closed pickup cab.  Earlier issues (including the original) have a cab without the filler piece around the rear window.  That panel unbolts from the back panel of the cab, and some guys did take it out and fit a bigger rear window.  But the small window is more correct for stock.  Unfortunately, only the first issue had the stock wheels (different from those in the '31 kits), and the tires included were made of that nasty Revell plastic-softening vinyl.

No issue of any of the pickup (or the '31 sedan/woody/delivery, for that matter) include any pedals (gas, brake, clutch).

 

[Dennis Lacy]

I've heard that the HOT ROD issue of the pickup has a different (retooled) chrome tree from earlier issues, and the chrome cylinder head on that tree does not have "Winfield" lettering.  That would pretty much make it look like a chrome-plated stock head.  The original tree was (supposedly) restored to the Rat Rod and subsequent issues, and so has the Winfield head with the lettering.

The Rat Rod and later issues have a 100% stock closed pickup cab.  Earlier issues (including the original) have a cab without the filler piece around the rear window.  That panel unbolts from the back panel of the cab, and some guys did take it out and fit a bigger rear window.  But the small window is more correct for stock.  Unfortunately, only the first issue had the stock wheels (different from those in the '31 kits), and the tires included were made of that nasty Revell plastic-softening vinyl.

No issue of any of the pickup (or the '31 sedan/woody/delivery, for that matter) include any pedals (gas, brake, clutch).

 

Absolutely correct about the Hot Rod version of the '29 Pickup containing a plain chrome cylinder head. Also, the Street Demons version of the kit is the same way and both of those feature closed cabs with the large back window. I'm pretty sure the Happy Days version also has the large window but I can't remember if it has the plain or Winfield chrome head. Those 3 versions were also missing the windshield visor. The Winfield script head, small back window and visor returned with the Rat Rods version of the kit.

The Hot Rod version is a bit of an anomaly. It's the only one of the reissues of the '29 truck kit to feature smooth hood sides, smooth tailgate, 80's style Cragar billet Champ wheels and perhaps the coolest piece in the kit, a dropped headlight bar.

[jas1957]

The early AMT '29 had one too. Not sure if it's in any later issues.

These parts also are in the Mod Rod kit # T254 from about 1970 & the Street Rod Series kit # A129 from about 1973.   

[Art Anderson]

I've heard that the HOT ROD issue of the pickup has a different (retooled) chrome tree from earlier issues, and the chrome cylinder head on that tree does not have "Winfield" lettering.  That would pretty much make it look like a chrome-plated stock head.  The original tree was (supposedly) restored to the Rat Rod and subsequent issues, and so has the Winfield head with the lettering.

The Rat Rod and later issues have a 100% stock closed pickup cab.  Earlier issues (including the original) have a cab without the filler piece around the rear window.  That panel unbolts from the back panel of the cab, and some guys did take it out and fit a bigger rear window.  But the small window is more correct for stock.  Unfortunately, only the first issue had the stock wheels (different from those in the '31 kits), and the tires included were made of that nasty Revell plastic-softening vinyl.

No issue of any of the pickup (or the '31 sedan/woody/delivery, for that matter) include any pedals (gas, brake, clutch).

 

Mark, correct on the clutch and brake pedals!  Those can be had from just about any model kit of a pre-war Ford kit though.  As for Model A Ford gas pedal, that was merely a "button" on a post--with another, smaller "button" to the right of it, that was fixed in position (think a straight pin in 1/25 scale).  This one was the accelerator "foot rest", which allowed the driver to simply "rotate" his right foot to the left to press the gas pedal button!  (I know this, having owned and restored a '29 A Tudor in the mid-60's, and also having owned, at the same time, a 5000 mile perfect original '31 Deluxe Roadster!).

Art