Kit Engine Identification

[afx]

Got this in a grab bag lot several years ago.  Any one recognize what engine it might be or what kit it might be from?  Pretty sure it is from an old kit as all the other stuff in the lot was vintage.

 

Edited December 25, 2015 by afx

[Ace-Garageguy]

The single top bolt location in the exhaust manifolds positively identifies it as a second-generation Oldsmobile V8.

It shares many characteristics with other engines, but that is unique to the gen-2 V8 Olds OHV engine family.

As to what kit it's from, I have no idea.

Edited December 25, 2015 by Ace-Garageguy

[Can-Con]

JoHan Olds Toronado engine. The concave intake and turner-up driver's side exhaust are the giveaways. Could also be thier Caddy Eldorado engine. JoHan just used the Toro engine in the Eldos instead of tooling uo a proper engine since the Toro and Eldo kits shared all the other chassis and underhood parts.

[afx]

Thanks gentlemen.  Any idea what the part is to the left on the intake manifold?  Looks like a fluid container with a guard around it.

[Can-Con]

Thanks gentlemen.  Any idea what the part is to the left on the intake manifold?  Looks like a fluid container with a guard around it.

Power steering pump.

[disabled modeler]

Yep Johan Olds Toronado engine...think its from the 70-72 ones.

[Can-Con]

Yep Johan Olds Toronado engine...think its from the 70-72 ones.

The engine and chassis in all the JoHan Toros from '66 to '72 were exactly the same.

[afx]

Couldn't find the Toronado instructions but here is the Cadillac Eldorado sheet.  Looks like it.

Edited December 26, 2015 by afx

[Snake45]

The front cover/water pump in the photo doesn't look like the one on that instruction sheet. (Maybe it's from another kit entirely?)

Last night I looked at the instructions for AMT and JoHan Toronados and AMT 66 and 69 4-4-2s and none of them matched the photo exactly. Only Olds I can think of that I couldn't find was the Lindberg '67 4-4-2.

It does seem to be an Olds, I'm just not 100% sure of exactly which one.

[disabled modeler]

Couldn't find the Toronado instructions but here is the Cadillac Eldorado sheet.  Looks like it.

Yep this is pretty much the one it is...the power steering pump has the mounting bracket behind or towards the middle of the engine in the instruction photos...its not real easy to see but its there.  I love the Johan stuff glue or snaps there all good to me and they offered kits of cars you couldn't get from anyone else. 

[Can-Con]

Yea, Like I said, the Toro and Eldorado kits used the same chassis and engine. 

 

The same engine was also used in thier '68-'70 442s but with a different driver's side exhaust manifold and front cover. 

 

BTW, how the heck are you guys posting pics now? I can only post directly from my computer, not the internet such as fotki etc.

[afx]

Yea, Like I said, the Toro and Eldorado kits used the same chassis and engine. 

 

The same engine was also used in thier '68-'70 442s but with a different driver's side exhaust manifold and front cover. 

 

BTW, how the heck are you guys posting pics now? I can only post directly from my computer, not the internet such as fotki etc.

Copy any image (right click-copy) and post it (right click-paste) in a thread.

[Mark]

The engine pictured appears to be from a Jo-Han Olds 4-4-2.  The Toronado and Eldorado engine is pretty much the same, except that the water pump/front cover piece is different, being squared off at the bottom because that's where the engine attaches to the chassis at the front.  The block for the 4-4-2 should be notched at the bottom for an axle to pass through (unless it's from an annual kit with the funny car option, in which case the notches would be flashed over).  The Toronado/Eldorado blocks have no notches.

[afx]

The engine pictured appears to be from a Jo-Han Olds 4-4-2.  The Toronado and Eldorado engine is pretty much the same, except that the water pump/front cover piece is different, being squared off at the bottom because that's where the engine attaches to the chassis at the front.  The block for the 4-4-2 should be notched at the bottom for an axle to pass through (unless it's from an annual kit with the funny car option, in which case the notches would be flashed over).  The Toronado/Eldorado blocks have no notches.

The block does have a small notch on the bottom edge.  Here is the instruction sheet for the '68 Olds 442 FC kit.

Edited December 26, 2015 by afx

[Can-Con]

Thanks JC, that's the pic I was trying to post.

[afx]

Here is the '70 Olds kit showing the same engine.

 

[Snake45]

Now THAT instruction sheet looks like the photo. I think we have a winner!

[426-Hemi]

Got this in a grab bag lot several years ago.  Any one recognize what engine it might be or what kit it might be from?  Pretty sure it is from an old kit as all the other stuff in the lot was vintage.

 

I'd LOVE to get my hands on a couple sets of the exhaust manifolds seen here! (They're REAL close to a Mopar "Poly-Head" 318!!!! (The OLD "A" motor BEFORE the time of the "LA" small blocks!