AMT '39 / '40 Ford Sedan

[Greg Myers]

Isn't about time we saw this reissued ?  In no particular order 

  

Edited June 17, 2016 by Greg Myers

[Jantrix]

Isn't about time we saw this reissued ?  In no particular order 

 

 

Yes please.

[Toner283]

I would love to see the diamond in the rough unrestored 40 sedan reissued but I do not believe they are out of the same mold. If you get the two of them side-by-side, the fender unit is completely different and if I recall correctly the body has slightly different mold parting lines on it. interior pieces are also slightly different. The seat has molded in rips and tears etc.

[wayne swayze]

Sure....I'd buy a couple, but PLEASE don't label the box as a "Coupe"!!!

[Eshaver]

To be quite honest , I'm wondering if the 1940 Ford molds were ruined after the run of "Diamond in the Rough " kits . I have unbuilt examples of both and it was a great kit in it's day . I wish a 1941 sedan were available as I have a family member with one . I will NEVER let go of my 1953 Ford truck though

[unclescott58]

I've got the Stevens International version shown above. It builds into a decent '40 Ford. But a terrible '39 Ford. Despite that, I'm going to build mine as a '39 right out of box. Only thing I'm debating on is whether to build it with the vent windows or not. They were not correct on the '39. But, neither is the dashboard or the locations the wipers and taillights. So no matter what it will not be correct for '39. One of AMT's old box art showed a '39 with the vent windows. I kind of like the looks of it.

[Oldmodelmaker]

I wish they would make one as a coupe instead of sedan.

[Dennis Lacy]

The Spic N Span gasser box art rules! If they do a retro-deluxe version they should use that artwork. For sure!  

It's pretty funny that AMT suggests it can be built as a '39 as well when the only '39 parts provided are the grill, headlights and hood with slightly different trim. In reality, although similar looking, a '39 and '40 share very little in the way of common parts. All the sheet metal and trim is different, bumpers, dashboard, steering wheel, floor vs. column shift, upholstery patterns, wheels / hubcaps and the list goes on

That being said, I've always thought a '39 Deluxe is way prettier than a '40, either Standard or Deluxe.

 

[Can-Con]

To be quite honest , I'm wondering if the 1940 Ford molds were ruined after the run of "Diamond in the Rough " kits . I have unbuilt examples of both and it was a great kit in it's day . I wish a 1941 sedan were available as I have a family member with one . I will NEVER let go of my 1953 Ford truck though

Pretty sure the "diamond in the rough" kit was issued well before the "Millennium" and Steven's International issues.

[Edsel-Dan]

It was!!!

I want to say mid 80's at the LATEST

 

I have the Millennium issue

And since the Coupe, Sedan & Sedan Delivery all use the same chassis, fenders, engine, etc, 

just use the 39 Grill & hood on any coupe issue you have!!!!

or Use them on the sedan delivery!!

[Toner283]

It was!!!

I want to say mid 80's at the LATEST

 

I have the Millennium issue

And since the Coupe, Sedan & Sedan Delivery all use the same chassis, fenders, engine, etc, 

just use the 39 Grill & hood on any coupe issue you have!!!!

or Use them on the sedan delivery!!

I am pretty sure the fender units are different. The custom engines are for sure different between the coupe and the sedan. The coupe has a buick nailhead and the sedan had an olds  OHV engine. Not sure what engine is in the sedan delivery. 

[unclescott58]

The Spic N Span gasser box art rules! If they do a retro-deluxe version they should use that artwork. For sure!  

It's pretty funny that AMT suggests it can be built as a '39 as well when the only '39 parts provided are the grill, headlights and hood with slightly different trim. In reality, although similar looking, a '39 and '40 share very little in the way of common parts. All the sheet metal and trim is different, bumpers, dashboard, steering wheel, floor vs. column shift, upholstery patterns, wheels / hubcaps and the list goes on

That being said, I've always thought a '39 Deluxe is way prettier than a '40, either Standard or Deluxe.

 

Need to recheck your facts before saying the "'39 and '40 share very little in the way of common parts." You are correct on all the changes you listed, but steel metal. According to Ford themselves, most body sheet metal is shared between the '39 and '40 Fords. Evan using the exact same part numbers.

[unclescott58]

It was!!!

I want to say mid 80's at the LATEST

 

I have the Millennium issue

And since the Coupe, Sedan & Sedan Delivery all use the same chassis, fenders, engine, etc, 

just use the 39 Grill & hood on any coupe issue you have!!!!

or Use them on the sedan delivery!!

I know for sure AMT's coupe and sedan delivery kits share the same chassis, fenders, engines, etc. But, the sedan looks to me like it's based on a different tooling. The front ends are not set up on the coupe or sedan delivery, to easily be converted to a '39 using the parts from the sedan kit. The chassis also doesn't look exactly the same. And the optional engines, while being the same between the coupe and sedan delivery, is not the same in the sedan.

Also there is some question by Ellen Shaver about the loss of the '40 version of the sedan being lost after the "Diamond In The Rough" version? No worries about that. The Stevens International version I have, made in the last ten years, can still be built as a '39 or '40 Ford sedan. Despite the box art promoting the '39, the instructions talk about the '40 as the only way the kit can be built. All of the parts are still there.

[Harry P.]

How did it turn from a Sedan into a Coupe?

[mod3l Lover]

How did it turn from a Sedan into a Coupe?

      By the magic of mislabeling I would think.

The package design dept. and the reality dept.

don't work at the same time I guess!?!

 

     David S.

[AC Norton]

The Spic N Span gasser box art rules! If they do a retro-deluxe version they should use that artwork. For sure!  

It's pretty funny that AMT suggests it can be built as a '39 as well when the only '39 parts provided are the grill, headlights and hood with slightly different trim. In reality, although similar looking, a '39 and '40 share very little in the way of common parts. All the sheet metal and trim is different, bumpers, dashboard, steering wheel, floor vs. column shift, upholstery patterns, wheels / hubcaps and the list goes on

That being said, I've always thought a '39 Deluxe is way prettier than a '40, either Standard or Deluxe.

 

 

I second that, Dennis...for box art its killer, but so is the 67-68 era box with the Joker gasser art. same kit, great box art too...the Ace...

[Ace-Garageguy]

How did it turn from a Sedan into a Coupe?

Yeah, pretty funny. Like the man said...the magic of mislabeling, advertising, marketing...we don't need no stinkin' facts or correct names for things.  

But choo know, I've seen plenty of people selling coupes call them roadsters too. Words don't matter. They're just noise and random letters that convey no real meaning.

On another note, I'd like the see the original "Tudor" version brought back.

I bought several of the other issues over the years, both decent kits and gluebombs, had an original when I was a kid.

Edited June 18, 2016 by Ace-Garageguy

[Greg Myers]

We're not alone . . . 

[unclescott58]

We're not alone . . . 

We're not alone? Are you trying to tell us that you were involved making decisions at Ertl on labeling boxes? And decided on calling the '40 sedan a coupe, Greg? Just because Revell makes mistakes, I expect better from you Greg! ?

[Rob Hall]

It's been reissued twice in the last 20 years, sure it'll be back again sooner or later...

[Dennis Lacy]

Need to recheck your facts before saying the "'39 and '40 share very little in the way of common parts." You are correct on all the changes you listed, but steel metal. According to Ford themselves, most body sheet metal is shared between the '39 and '40 Fords. Evan using the exact same part numbers.

Hood: Completely different stainless trim + the shape of the front nose area therefor different stampings with unique part numbers.

Front Fenders: Completely different headlight assemblies (bulb/reflector vs, sealed beam) therefor different stampings with unique part numbers.

Rear Fenders: Completely different tail lights (teardrop shape vs.chevron shape) therefor different stampings with unique part numbers.

Cowl: Crank-out windshield vs.fixed windshield therefor different stampings and completely different inner structure with unique part numbers.

Doors: Full size glass vs vent wing windows + different door handles therefor different stampings and completely different inner structure with unique part numbers. (Not to mention window glass regulators and latch operating mechanisms.)

That leaves the roof and quarter panels. I did say sheet metal wise they share very little in the way of common parts and I believe that qualifies. (The two years do share many, many common chassis and engine parts but that isn't important as it applies to passing the model kit as a '39.) 

If you are walking a swap meet and need '39 sheet metal, you look for '39 sheet metal. If you are walking a swap meet and need '40 sheet metal, you look for '40 sheet metal.

 

[Rob Hall]

A  '38 or '39 kit would be very nice to see, esp. the '38 De Luxe or '39 Standard...love those unusual grille designs....

Edited June 18, 2016 by Rob Hall

[Greg Myers]

and let's not forget the difference between the Standard and Delux models.  http://www.macsmotorcitygarage.com/2012/09/14/mcg-spotters-guide-to-the-1937-40-ford-and-mercury/

Edited June 18, 2016 by Greg Myers

[bismarck]

Does anyone know if the Revell '40 coupes frame and running gear would fit under the older sedan body? THAT would get my attention.

[unclescott58]

Hood: Completely different stainless trim + the shape of the front nose area therefor different stampings with unique part numbers.

Front Fenders: Completely different headlight assemblies (bulb/reflector vs, sealed beam) therefor different stampings with unique part numbers.

Rear Fenders: Completely different tail lights (teardrop shape vs.chevron shape) therefor different stampings with unique part numbers.

Cowl: Crank-out windshield vs.fixed windshield therefor different stampings and completely different inner structure with unique part numbers.

Doors: Full size glass vs vent wing windows + different door handles therefor different stampings and completely different inner structure with unique part numbers. (Not to mention window glass regulators and latch operating mechanisms.)

That leaves the roof and quarter panels. I did say sheet metal wise they share very little in the way of common parts and I believe that qualifies. (The two years do share many, many common chassis and engine parts but that isn't important as it applies to passing the model kit as a '39.) 

If you are walking a swap meet and need '39 sheet metal, you look for '39 sheet metal. If you are walking a swap meet and need '40 sheet metal, you look for '40 sheet metal.

 

Go look at Ford part numbers. I think you'll be surprised. The '39 and '40 Fords share more than you think. Ture there is a lot of stuff that they don't share. But the big stuff, body structure and outer sheet metal swap in most cases. An example you gave of the difference in the doors. Sure the vent wings and door handles are new. But the basic under structure and door skins are the same. You do not need to change the basic door to add vent wings and new door handles.