6bblbird Posted January 21, 2017 Posted January 21, 2017 (edited) I found this in a group of models that were from a collection of built cars. What caught my eye immediately was the roof line. I thought that I was quite knowledgeable about Johan Mopar kits but this was odd! I never saw a Johan '64 Dodge sedan! Every one that I had ever seen was a hard top! The decals also made me wonder where they came from. Well, once I got it home I figured out the roof mystery. Can you? And can anyone tell me where these decals came from? I would love to duplicate this car. WF Edited January 21, 2017 by 6bblbird
AC Norton Posted January 21, 2017 Posted January 21, 2017 look's to me that a sedan roof was installed from another kit....Johan made a 63 Dodge annual with a roof similar......like that Chevy modified prod. piece in the background,,,,,would love to see it.....the Ace...
6bblbird Posted January 21, 2017 Author Posted January 21, 2017 look's to me that a sedan roof was installed from another kit....Johan made a 63 Dodge annual with a roof similar......like that Chevy modified prod. piece in the background,,,,,would love to see it.....the Ace... Yep! That's what the original builder did. Transplanted the roof from a '63. I decided to leave the Fugitive alone (just gonna clean it up a bit) and build my own! I grabbed two bodies from my stash of old Johan parts and got to work. I have an hour into it so far. Pretty easy. I know that someone is going to tell me that the '63 and '64 roof lines are different. That's o.k.. Nothing a little sanding won't fix. WF P.S. Thanks for the info on the decals! I might be able to find them. I will also post some pics of the '55 later.
6bblbird Posted January 21, 2017 Author Posted January 21, 2017 I found the Fugitive decals at Southern Motorsports. I ordered a couple of different sheets.WF
gtx6970 Posted January 21, 2017 Posted January 21, 2017 If you can,,,make sure they are in fact Cady decals. I've heard rumors of someone making photo copies and selling them on ebay ( its not Southern Motor Sports btw . ) I built this car several years ago with the Lindberg kit and Cady decals . And to this day is one of my favorites
Jmaracing Posted January 21, 2017 Posted January 21, 2017 Looking good Walter. I'll be watching this one!!
426-Hemi Posted January 21, 2017 Posted January 21, 2017 NICE catch and find and figure out on that Sedan! INTERESTING conversion too! Looks to be almost to simple to work out as good as it is!
6bblbird Posted January 21, 2017 Author Posted January 21, 2017 I could have built one using the Lindberg kit but I'm a glutton for punishment! I want people to look at it and scratch their heads like I did!Might stick a Lindberg chassis under it or use that horrible Johan chassis pan and build it curbside. We'll see.Can't find any pics of a 1:1 Fugitive but I assume that it was a real car. I also have Bud Faubel Honker decals so that is also a possibility.WF
gtx6970 Posted January 22, 2017 Posted January 22, 2017 Yes ..it was a real car. Ill ck my files and see if i have any pictures on the pc
6bblbird Posted January 23, 2017 Author Posted January 23, 2017 (edited) The body work on the roof is just about done. I made the door posts by applying two .020 strips of styrene to a backing piece, notched the body and glued in place. Edited January 23, 2017 by 6bblbird
MarkJ Posted January 23, 2017 Posted January 23, 2017 I did a build where I took the 2 door sedan roof off a dodge and put it on a Plymouth to make Iggy Katonas 1964 Plymouth 2 door sedan.
caine440 Posted January 23, 2017 Posted January 23, 2017 Very cool. I need to find a source for those headers. I have a couple of Dick Landy builds planned and only have one set of headers from the John 64 Dodge Super Stocker kit.
6bblbird Posted January 23, 2017 Author Posted January 23, 2017 (edited) The Johan fender well headers on that car came in the Re-Charged kit. There is a problem with them. Those headers would never work in real life on a hemi due to the exhaust port angle. Hemi exhaust ports aim straight down towards the ground, while a wedge exhaust port is nearly perpendicular to the ground. The kit headers meet the cylinder heads at an impossible angle. Those headers are more suited for the Max Wedge engine and would be proper for a 413 or 426 wedge car but the port spacing is wrong! You have to modify them, unless you find some early Johan headers designed for a wedge. What I have found by studying many '62 thru '65 max wedge and Hemi car photos is that early wedge cars have fender well headers and Hemi cars generally don't. If that kind of stuff doesn't bother you........... Edited January 23, 2017 by 6bblbird
gtx6970 Posted January 23, 2017 Posted January 23, 2017 Found this of an old fred cady sheet. It says black interior,,,but am 99% certain the info I found years ago showed it had red interior still looking for more though
gtx6970 Posted January 23, 2017 Posted January 23, 2017 Very cool. I need to find a source for those headers. I have a couple of Dick Landy builds planned and only have one set of headers from the John 64 Dodge Super Stocker kit.Roger, which style are you looking for ?
caine440 Posted January 23, 2017 Posted January 23, 2017 The fenderwell headers for the 64 Max Wedge car to start with. Then fenderwell headers for the 64 Hemi car.I have been reading the new Landy book and it is inspiring new projects.Those johan headers are indeed a mixed bag but they are about as close a starting point as I have found.
6bblbird Posted January 23, 2017 Author Posted January 23, 2017 Found this of an old fred cady sheet. It says black interior,,,but am 99% certain the info I found years ago showed it had red interior still looking for more though Thanks! If no one can find any photos, they can't argue with my choice of colors!!!! I will most likely build my roof transplant car as a phantom.
6bblbird Posted January 23, 2017 Author Posted January 23, 2017 Those headers worked out well on my '57 Ford! I modified them a little. (a lot) Max wedge powered of course!
gtx6970 Posted January 23, 2017 Posted January 23, 2017 (edited) The fenderwell headers for the 64 Max Wedge car to start with. Then fenderwell headers for the 64 Hemi car. I have been reading the new Landy book and it is inspiring new projects. Those johan headers are indeed a mixed bag but they are about as close a starting point as I have found. the Hemi car kit doesn't / never had fender well headers . Actually I don't remember ever seeing any Hemi car with fender well headers Im sure I may have a few sets of the Max wedge kit fender well headers ( probably have 8-10 of the cars in various levels of condition ) ps, I dont think the Landy 1962 or 63 Plymouth had fender well headers on it,,,at least I cant see anything Ps, Im not 100% sure if he ever ran a 64 with a max wedge. All the pictures I have on file of his 64 are the Hemi car shown Edited January 23, 2017 by gtx6970
6bblbird Posted January 23, 2017 Author Posted January 23, 2017 (edited) Here's your '64 Landy, max wedge car with fender well headers. Edited January 23, 2017 by 6bblbird
Pete L. Posted January 23, 2017 Posted January 23, 2017 (edited) Fellas, You never know where you'll find info, I've always wanted to build the above car. I have the kit, decals, I even have the paint, but I never knew that the car WASN'T HEMI POWERED !!! Thanks again for your expertise Walter, now I'll have to find the correct motor... Edited January 23, 2017 by Pete L.
caine440 Posted January 23, 2017 Posted January 23, 2017 Yep that is the one.Some good photos in the book, though I cannot tell what color to paint the roof. Thanks
6bblbird Posted January 24, 2017 Author Posted January 24, 2017 (edited) Fellas, You never know where you'll find info, I've always wanted to build the above car. I have the kit, decals, I even have the paint, but I never knew that the car WASN'T HEMI POWERED !!! Thanks again for your expertise Walter, now I'll have to find the correct motor...Pete,Landy ran two different cars during the'64 season. The hard top was his first factory sponsored Dodge. It was a Stage IV max wedge. He ran that car until mid August of '64.The sedan is the car that got the most press and most photos taken of it as Chrysler wanted the emphasis and exposure put on the new Hemi powerplants.What I can tell you about the paint on the sedan is that according to Geoff Stunkard's book Landy's Dodges, the sedan was painted a Mercedes metallic grey. The roof is hard to tell because I only have one color photo where it looks to be a lighter shade of silver. The Hemi sedan was also painted with Mercedes paint but looks to be a lighter shade than the hard top. Geoff relates that information on many of his cars was not easy to come by. It seems that the family did not keep accurate records of his cars and combinations. Everyone seems to be quite confused as to how many '68-'69 Chargers he actually campaigned.WF Edited January 24, 2017 by 6bblbird
bytownshaker Posted January 24, 2017 Posted January 24, 2017 Roger Model Car World Automtive Finishes sell the 64 Dodge fender well exit headers.I have dealt with them and I'm pleased with the products and service.Edgar
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