Dave G. Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 1 hour ago, Goodwrench3 said: Thanks Dave. Yes -- my primary goal is painting 1/24 and 1/25 car and semi truck bodies and trailers. However, there are cases where I'd be spraying smaller areas and I can see where having two airbrushes ready to go -- one for each purpose -- would be nice. I wasn't aware of the difference in adjustability between the Paasche and Badger, though. It's not the H or Paasche vs Badger, the H is a great brush, it's about external mix. External mix can have some limitations depending on your needs. You may not need anything outside those limitations though. You won't know till you get painting with airbrushes. There is an argument for and against every design out there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOBLNG Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 The external mix is one thing I like about the H. Cleaning it is easy, there are 3 parts that the paint can get to ( I have only used the little gravity feed cup, not the bottles yet) the cup, the needle and the nozzle. They are easily removed and separate from the AB itself. The needle seems to be far less prone to damage than the Iwata? The duel action brushes are really versatile and my Iwata Eclipse will do anything the Paasche H will and more, but right now I am enjoying the user-friendliness of the H. I have no experience with Badger. I would suggest watching some YT videos on each. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave G. Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 In the end they all spray ! It's getting to know their ways is all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave G. Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 (edited) Hmmm, I was glad to see that Humbrol Thinner for airbrushing has a retarder in it. I make my own thinner for use in many acrylic paints and craft paints and use retarder in it as well, which greatly reduces if not eliminates tip dry. There is a video out there on this but it wouldn't load here. Edited January 15, 2019 by Dave G. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOBLNG Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 4 hours ago, Dave G. said: There is a video out there on this but it wouldn't load here. Can you copy and paste a link here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave G. Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, NOBLNG said: Can you copy and paste a link here? Yes though the link was dead here in the forum, you would have to copy and past that to your browser. It is from Humbrol though so should be reliable, only 2-3 minutes long. Here is the link ( fwiw that guy thins his paint thicker than I would, just sayin): Well how do you like that now the thing came up. Edited January 15, 2019 by Dave G. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goodwrench3 Posted January 15, 2019 Author Share Posted January 15, 2019 7 hours ago, Dave G. said: Hmmm, I was glad to see that Humbrol Thinner for airbrushing has a retarder in it. I make my own thinner for use in many acrylic paints and craft paints and use retarder in it as well, which greatly reduces if not eliminates tip dry. There is a video out there on this but it wouldn't load here. FYI -- I ordered the "basics" kit from Kalmbach (it includes Humbrol acrylic paints and Humbrol acrylic thinner). I'll let you all know how good the "step-by-step" instruction book is from a complete beginner's point of view. It's this kit: https://kalmbachhobbystore.com/product/modelers-tool-box/85043 Dave -- I'll post here what they say about the amount of thinner to paint. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave G. Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 Great, can't wait to hear how it goes for you ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goodwrench3 Posted January 16, 2019 Author Share Posted January 16, 2019 (edited) On 1/14/2019 at 11:17 AM, Dave G. said: A lot of people use the Neo. My understanding of it is that airbrush is Neo for Iwata. It's not truly Iwata but Iwata designed and again my understand and I could be wrong, is that it has the one needle set. I did confirm it comes with a .35 needle. It will work with acrylic paints ( I've shot acrylic with a .25 needle but for washes) but it will be fussier on thinning ratio and clog easier than one with a bigger needle. Again lean towards that 2% milk consistency. did you know that the Neo was designed for fine detail work and entry level ? You certainly could use it as a detail gun vs changing nozzles on another airbrush, just grab the Neo. Meanwhile I'm sure you want to paint car bodies, you're going to enjoy more flow for that work imo. and it is exactly that, my opinion. I'm not here to knock anyones Neo, I know for a fact some folks spray bodies with one but they do it with many mist coats from what I've seen in their videos. Something nice about dual action is you can yank back on the valve and help clear the nozzle as well as control paint flow on the fly.. On single action you have to screw it in and out vs lever action. It doesn't take long to get the feel of double action, in 1/1 I painted full flow, that is I pulled all the way back. But could dust in an area with partial open valve too. Also the H has limited control over flow by screwing the nozzle. My Badger ( or any internal mix brush) 200 has way more control over paint flow but it is by screwing in and out. I just think you will be happiest with something you can change the needle and nozzle on to more than .35 is all. Single vs double action is a concept change, you can get used to either or or both.. I was looking for some paint on the Hobby Lobby site tonight, and I found it interesting that they had this description for the Iwata HP-CS Eclipse airbrush with a .35 needle: This HP-CS Eclispe Airbrush kit has a multi-purpose, high-paint-flow, high-detail Eclipse Series airbrush that covers a wide range of uses. It is commonly used to spray premixed or heavier paints and it is well suited for uses demanding precise control of spray when applying moderate to large amounts of paint to a variety of surfaces and to various sized areas. The gravity feed airbrush features a unique 0.35 millimeter needle and nozzle combination for fine detail spraying, but with high paint flow capacity. There is a generous 1/3 ounce sized cup that is designed with a new funnel shape, which makes for easy clean up and more efficient paint flow. The Eclipse CS sprays heavier acrylics and Medea Textile Colors, while maintaining high-detail spray characteristics. Also included in the kit are: (I added the bold type) Edited January 16, 2019 by Goodwrench3 added more information Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave G. Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 4 minutes ago, Goodwrench3 said: I was looking for some paint on the Hobby Lobby site tonight, and I found it interesting that they had this description for the Iwata HP-CS Eclipse airbrush with a .35 needle: This HP-CS Eclispe Airbrush kit has a multi-purpose, high-paint-flow, high-detail Eclipse Series airbrush that covers a wide range of uses. It is commonly used to spray premixed or heavier paints and it is well suited for uses demanding precise control of spray when applying moderate to large amounts of paint to a variety of surfaces and to various sized areas. The gravity feed airbrush features a unique 0.35 millimeter needle and nozzle combination for fine detail spraying, but with high paint flow capacity. There is a generous 1/3 ounce sized cup that is designed with a new funnel shape, which makes for easy clean up and more efficient paint flow. The Eclipse CS sprays heavier acrylics and Medea Textile Colors, while maintaining high-detail spray characteristics. Also included in the kit are: (I added the bold type) That's great then ! As I said I know that other modelers use the Neo as well. Don't worry it's going to put down paint and no matter what you get it will come with a learning curve, so you will learn this one.. And think milk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goodwrench3 Posted January 16, 2019 Author Share Posted January 16, 2019 15 hours ago, Dave G. said: Hmmm, I was glad to see that Humbrol Thinner for airbrushing has a retarder in it. I make my own thinner for use in many acrylic paints and craft paints and use retarder in it as well, which greatly reduces if not eliminates tip dry. There is a video out there on this but it wouldn't load here. So... what about using the Humbrol acrylic thinner with Model Master acrylic paints ??? Or ... is this a case of "keep your GM car all GM" ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave G. Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 (edited) On 1/15/2019 at 8:50 PM, Goodwrench3 said: So... what about using the Humbrol acrylic thinner with Model Master acrylic paints ??? Or ... is this a case of "keep your GM car all GM" ? MM acrylic last I knew was- is- are pretty well pre thinned. I would add some retarder to it though. You should test anything you want to try, cross platforms can or may work great, they can also go whacko, or may spray fine but dry with a haze or fog. I do my test spraying on empty prescription bottles, some folks use plastic spoons, then if you get a flop you wrecked a spoon worth half a cent or an empty script bottle you were throwing out anyway and not a $30 model. For me testing is half the fun, it's how I developed my own thinner for some acrylics and acrylic craft paints. I will say that both Vallejo and Tamiya it is safe to say should use their own thinners. You might not want to use Tamiya though it does have a bit of odor to it, not like lacquer but it's stronger than some other acrylics and it can be thinned with lacquer thinner, so there is something different in their formula. great paint but thinking of the wife here. Have you hooshcowed a compressor from someplace ? Edit: Actually I sprayed some mm today (12-17-19) and did put a little thinner in it. It's very smooth spraying and flowed out pretty well with the bit of retarder in there that I use in my thinner. That said, Testors recommends their own acrylic thinner of course. Edited January 17, 2019 by Dave G. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goodwrench3 Posted January 21, 2019 Author Share Posted January 21, 2019 RE: "Have you hooshcowed a compressor from someplace ?" No, not yet -- I'm waiting for the Kalmbach order to show up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave G. Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 On 1/20/2019 at 7:38 PM, Goodwrench3 said: RE: "Have you hooshcowed a compressor from someplace ?" No, not yet -- I'm waiting for the Kalmbach order to show up. Seems as though you should be taking delivery real soon here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goodwrench3 Posted January 23, 2019 Author Share Posted January 23, 2019 Yeah -- but when I placed the order it said something like "allow 4 weeks" ... we'll see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave G. Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 11 hours ago, Goodwrench3 said: Yeah -- but when I placed the order it said something like "allow 4 weeks" ... we'll see. Wow , I'll stop watching thread for a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goodwrench3 Posted February 18, 2019 Author Share Posted February 18, 2019 Well, it showed up finally ! Nice package. I'll be ordering the compressor this week so that hopefully this weekend I can start playing with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave G. Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 10 hours ago, Goodwrench3 said: Well, it showed up finally ! Nice package. I'll be ordering the compressor this week so that hopefully this weekend I can start playing with it. Good news ! Bet right about now you're wishing you already had that compressor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave G. Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 Goodwrench, did you ever get this stuff spraying ? Just curious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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