Rob Hall Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, Repstock said: I guess what I mean is they are different sizes. The Monte Carlo has a 116" wheelbase and is 213" long, the Cutlass (2 door) has a 112" wheelbase and is 207" long. I don't think that top is a direct swap. If you line it up with the windshield, it will probably extend too far onto the trunk area. Having said that, I will admit I've never tried it! Wheelbase has nothing to do with the roof, though. The extra wheelbase length is all ahead of the firewall I believe. Edited March 24, 2019 by Rob Hall Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
espo Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 I think that one of the reasons the roof appears different between the Olds and the Chevy has more to do with the shape of the Quarter Panels. The Chevy has very pronounced flair/arch over the rear wheel opening and the Olds it is much smoother. Outside of measuring actual cars, I think if you just hold a finger or two over the body portion in the above pictures you will get the idea. My own thought is that it would cost GM far to much to have this much difference in roof panels between two models based on the same basic body. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordf-100 Posted March 28, 2019 Author Share Posted March 28, 2019 Looking at the photos the Cutlass certainly looks as if it has a more leaned back rear window with different shaped opera windows. I cut a pie shape out of the back and leaned it forward as was suggested here and stared to reshape the opera windows. I think it looks much cleaner and more like a Cutlass roof line! What do you guys think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrObsessive Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 Phillip, that definitely looks better! You're still working on it......those cars had sharp corners in the upper rear window. That's one of those things in my book that give a roofline an "attitude". Think GM 1959-'60 B body Bubbletop hardtops and opposed to 1961-'62. Sharp corners as opposed to rounded corners. A change I'd make........the rear window could maybe be a bit shorter. This'll also raise the lower part of the vinyl roof just above the beltline at the trailing edge of the doors----not quite level with it. I know------I notice subtle things too much! A complaint my Mom had of me when I was a kid. Also, don't forget to make the lower corners on the beltline at the trailing edge of the doors a bit more rounded. That's one detail that Revell forgot on the Monte Carlo, or at best sort of halfway attempted it. Keep up the good work! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordf-100 Posted March 29, 2019 Author Share Posted March 29, 2019 When I leaned it forward I tried to keep the rear window the same, it didnt work out well! Do you think I should shorten up the rear window by adding plastic at the bottom of the window? That was my first thought. I havent looked much at the doors cause I was more focused on the rear roof portion but I will round the door corner out, that would look way better. What do you think about the shape of the opera windows? I dont want to overshoot these! A lot of this is learning for me, I would like to do a couple of other cars from the late 70's. The red Cutlass in the background I would like to make or at least attempt a 77 Olds 442 using some of the Salvino nascar body parts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Repstock Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 12 hours ago, fordf-100 said: Looking at the photos the Cutlass certainly looks as if it has a more leaned back rear window with different shaped opera windows. I cut a pie shape out of the back and leaned it forward as was suggested here and stared to reshape the opera windows. I think it looks much cleaner and more like a Cutlass roof line! What do you guys think? I think the B pillar needs to slant forward more as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordf-100 Posted March 29, 2019 Author Share Posted March 29, 2019 1 minute ago, Repstock said: I think the B pillar needs to slant forward more as well. It does look like it should be more slanted, I think I might try and shape that a bit better. Thanks for the tip! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrObsessive Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 3 hours ago, fordf-100 said: When I leaned it forward I tried to keep the rear window the same, it didnt work out well! Do you think I should shorten up the rear window by adding plastic at the bottom of the window? That was my first thought. I havent looked much at the doors cause I was more focused on the rear roof portion but I will round the door corner out, that would look way better. What do you think about the shape of the opera windows? I dont want to overshoot these! A lot of this is learning for me, I would like to do a couple of other cars from the late 70's. The red Cutlass in the background I would like to make or at least attempt a 77 Olds 442 using some of the Salvino nascar body parts. Sorry it took a bit to get back to you. I saw your comment overnight at work, but it was one of those nights where a lot was going wrong leaving no time to surf the board. Yes, I would add some plastic to the bottom of the window to shorten things up. Perhaps a scale inch or two? At the same time, I'd shorten the side windows just a teeny bit. The shape is very good---------they are trapezoidal like the 1:1. I'd like to do a '77 like the metallic red car I posted. That looks an awful lot like my Driver's Ed car that I had way back when that car was new. While the Salvino car isn't bad, there's some correcting that one would need too, but I'd sure like to have just the hood alone to make things easier. 1 hour ago, fordf-100 said: It does look like it should be more slanted, I think I might try and shape that a bit better. Thanks for the tip! Yes, I agree. If you take a look at the red car you have in the background, its B pillar has the correct slant. Of course it's also a Johan and they were at the top of their game once upon a time when it came to body shape accuracy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordf-100 Posted March 29, 2019 Author Share Posted March 29, 2019 1 hour ago, MrObsessive said: Sorry it took a bit to get back to you. I saw your comment overnight at work, but it was one of those nights where a lot was going wrong leaving no time to surf the board. Yes, I would add some plastic to the bottom of the window to shorten things up. Perhaps a scale inch or two? At the same time, I'd shorten the side windows just a teeny bit. The shape is very good---------they are trapezoidal like the 1:1. I'd like to do a '77 like the metallic red car I posted. That looks an awful lot like my Driver's Ed car that I had way back when that car was new. While the Salvino car isn't bad, there's some correcting that one would need too, but I'd sure like to have just the hood alone to make things easier. Yes, I agree. If you take a look at the red car you have in the background, its B pillar has the correct slant. Of course it's also a Johan and they were at the top of their game once upon a time when it came to body shape accuracy. That was sitting there the whole time and I never saw it!!! Thanks for the help with this! Yes the Salvinos would need a lot of work but I thought about using the front grille area and the hood and front bumper only. The chrome on their bumpers is unreal, it would not strip at all! I actually had to sand it off as I was trying to reshape the rear bumper. Anyway, I was thinking of filling and shaping the side of the 75 to look more like the shape on the 77 and possibly use the Monte Carlo rear bumper as a starting point for the Olds! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Repstock Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 Now that I think about ti, didn't the formal roof Cutlass Supreme have a completely different grille and front end treatment than the Colonnade style JoHan kit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Repstock Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 39 minutes ago, Repstock said: Now that I think about ti, didn't the formal roof Cutlass Supreme have a completely different grille and front end treatment than the Colonnade style JoHan kit? Never mind, someone already pointed this out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldcarfan27 Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 (edited) 6 hours ago, Repstock said: I think the B pillar needs to slant forward more as well. I agree, I suggest adding a wedge shape to the front of the B pillar and blend it into the body. Then sand the shape to the correct angle. Then open up the front of the quarter window to match the angle of the new B pillar. You're well on your way - it's looking better and better. Keep it up. Patrick Edited March 29, 2019 by Oldcarfan27 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldcarfan27 Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 BTW - here's two views of a 73 formal roof Cutlass Supreme. Notice the nose has a bit of a snoot to it. Simple enough, just extend it out. And let's bow our heads for a Hurst that didn't make it...RIP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldcarfan27 Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 Any updates to your project Phil? Don't leave us hanging, want to see more! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordf-100 Posted April 2, 2019 Author Share Posted April 2, 2019 3 hours ago, Oldcarfan27 said: Any updates to your project Phil? Don't leave us hanging, want to see more! Thanks Patrick! Have not been able to get in much modeleing time in the past couple weeks, I did start looking at slanting the B pillar forward, I think that will help alot! I will try and get something moving shortly. I appreciate you showing interest, that will give me some motivation!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordf-100 Posted April 13, 2019 Author Share Posted April 13, 2019 I did some more work on the roof, what do you guys think? It’s still very rough but coming along. I think I need a edge/crease at the top of the quarter panels where the roof flows into the trunk but not sure of a good way to do that. Any suggestions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldcarfan27 Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 On 3/23/2019 at 6:17 AM, fordf-100 said: Patrick that looks awesome! I owned a 74 back in the day! The roof looks way better than mine I think I will try and lean the back window forward. Please post some more pics, I really like it! Well, you've inspired me to bring my 30 year old project back to life. I just fixed the cracked bodywork and put an even coat of primer back on. Here's my parents Buick so far. It was midnight blue metallic with a white half vinyl top and white interior. It was a gorgeous one of a kind car. I think they had it special ordered. I sure miss that car.? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldcarfan27 Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 On 4/13/2019 at 12:56 PM, fordf-100 said: I did some more work on the roof, what do you guys think? It’s still very rough but coming along. I think I need a edge/crease at the top of the quarter panels where the roof flows into the trunk but not sure of a good way to do that. Any suggestions? Roof slope looks better, but I think you're rear window opening goes down too far into the tulip panel area. There should be a bit of metal that curves up and the window doesn't need to be that big. (See my Buick above, for the example). As soon as I can find it, I will post pictures of the Cutlass Supreme I've started and show you how I resolved the roofline crease you're talking about. Its subtle, but you're right - it is there! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordf-100 Posted April 15, 2019 Author Share Posted April 15, 2019 3 hours ago, Oldcarfan27 said: Well, you've inspired me to bring my 30 year old project back to life. I just fixed the cracked bodywork and put an even coat of primer back on. Here's my parents Buick so far. It was midnight blue metallic with a white half vinyl top and white interior. It was a gorgeous one of a kind car. I think they had it special ordered. I sure miss that car.? That looks really good! The slope of your side windows looks much better than mine, I see what you mean on the rear window area and if you could post pictures of your Cutlass Supreme that would be great!Did you scratch build the bumpers? They look really good! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldcarfan27 Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 (edited) 5 hours ago, fordf-100 said: That looks really good! The slope of your side windows looks much better than mine, I see what you mean on the rear window area and if you could post pictures of your Cutlass Supreme that would be great!Did you scratch build the bumpers? They look really good! Yes, the front bumper started with the Olds center (red) with bits o' plastic added to the ends. Rear is all pieces of plastic forming the shape. I'll find the Oldsmobile for you. Use your red Cutlass as a guide for the angle of the B pillar and the shape of the side windows will follow. Edited April 15, 2019 by Oldcarfan27 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrObsessive Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 Here are a few more shots of a '76 Cutlass formal roof. This can give you a better idea of how the rear window is shaped as they were all the same from '73-'77. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordf-100 Posted April 16, 2019 Author Share Posted April 16, 2019 18 hours ago, MrObsessive said: Here are a few more shots of a '76 Cutlass formal roof. This can give you a better idea of how the rear window is shaped as they were all the same from '73-'77. Thanks for the pictures! This is the area (above on the yellow car) where it doesnt look right on my model. My roof is a bit wide at the base and I dont think I can correct it easily. I was going to try and file this shape along the bottom of the vynyl roof and the crease at the top of the rear quarter panel but I dont know if it will work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrObsessive Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 34 minutes ago, fordf-100 said: I was going to try and file this shape along the bottom of the vynyl roof and the crease at the top of the rear quarter panel but I dont know if it will work. If it were me trying to shape this, I'd add some plastic to the side of the quarters and work from there. You can shape and sand to whatever contours you need.........you'd have enough of a base to do so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldcarfan27 Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 (edited) On 3/21/2019 at 4:36 PM, fordf-100 said: I am looking for some input on a project I recently started. I took a Revell 77 Monte Carlo roof and put it on a Jo-Han 73 Cutlass promo that was in very bad shape. This was mostly for practice but I don’t think it looks to bad! I wanted to see what you guys thought about proportions and general overall shape and look. I probably will remove the half vinyl roof and go with a full vinyl top as all the pics I have seen were full tops. Let me know what you guys think. Thanks! Here's my Oldsmobile roof conversion so far. The body has little primer so you can see the mods. And the nose mods for a '75 Edited April 28, 2019 by Oldcarfan27 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
espo Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 You're doing an amazing job with your build. I admire your striving for accuracy on this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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