The Hot Rod Lincoln Story

[regular guy]

 

Here's the link for Wikipedia article.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hot_Rod_Lincoln

Hot Rod Lincoln was an answer song to Hot Rod Race.

Look at the link for Hot Rod Race and you'll see why that song fell off the scope.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hot_Rod_Race

In one of the articles the car is accurately described.

The only 1/25 flathead V12 I know of is Lindberg u1948 Continental.

I looked at .PDF instructions and it is engine only and it is crude.

It would be a foundation for serious kit hacker to start out with.

There is the Hot Rod Lincoln story.

[Mark]

The Monogram '41 Continental kit has a much better V-12 engine.  It's 1/24 scale, and simplified (parts like oil pan and exhaust manifolds molded as a unit with the block).

[regular guy]

 

Thanks.

Here is some more on it.

http://www.curbsideclassic.com/blog/music/in-search-of-the-true-hot-rod-lincoln/

I always pictured it as a roadster.Looks like it's a coupe.

I think somebody could build a roadster and be in the spirit of the thing.

Cadillac V8 flathead(if 1/25 model version exists) and OHV 354 Monogram Parts pack could be competitor cars.Those would

be neat era builds.

[Jon Haigwood]

The original HRL was built on a shortened 41 Lincoln Zephyr frame, The original version was actually painted black, but  Charlie painted it red (a toyota color) to make it stand out better  at car shows. Last I heard his son said it was in a museum somewhere in Washington state, it has been so long ago that I talked to him I don't remember all the details.

"Charlie Ryan is a musician, songwriter and a car guy. In the late 1940s, he purchased a used 1941 Lincoln Zephyr four-door sedan. After a couple of years, he decided to make a hot rod out of it. He removed the Zephyr body, cut two feet off the frame to shorten the wheelbase and dropped a 1930 Ford Model A coupe body on it. At first, the car was painted black with red wheels. Charlie installed a '48 V-12 engine in it along with the 3-speed with overdrive '48 transmission."

More info here: http://www.joesherlock.com/Hot-Rod-Lincoln.html 

Edited March 31, 2019 by Jon Haigwood

[SfanGoch]

4 minutes ago, Jon Haigwood said:

Not sure what the bumpers were from, possibly a 44 Lincoln

Not possible because no cars, commercial trucks or auto parts were made from February 1942 to October 1945. WWII got in the way.

[Jon Haigwood]

19 hours ago, SfanGoch said:

Not possible because no cars, commercial trucks or auto parts were made from February 1942 to October 1945. WWII got in the way.

Right (Sorta)

Edited March 31, 2019 by Jon Haigwood

[regular guy]

 

Nice story about Charlie Ryan.Thanks.

Looks like the Hot Rod Lincoln was a 'get it done' build.Not real showy looking.

Might have been a 'sleeper' of it's day.

Not built to attract the attention of the local gendarmes.Wise move.

That song inspired many a car nut, me included.

Keep in mind racing in the 50's was high speed not drag racing.Stop light to stop light.

It was rolling along and jump on it until one guy just fell too far behind and called it quits.

It was Califonia Dry Lakes racing on the street.

Many a story about guys flying by cops at 120 and 130 mph with varying outcomes.

Anyhow.Somebody could just build Ed Roth's Tweetie Bird and have a nice 50s hot rod without a lot of parts scrounging.

What AMT kit is the Model A coupe if any?

[regular guy]

Here is real modeling stuff about building a Hot Rod Lincoln.

Read the logo on his opening MGM takeoff.That's a hoot!

I will point out the Hot Rod Lincoln was built on cut Lincoln chassis.

This site of his was dedicated to his dad.A hotrodder.

So this gentleman can build it anyway he wants and it is okay with me.

 

[Richard Bartrop]

The Continental was basically a modified Zephyr, so the chassis from the Monogram Continental should do the job, and it's closer to 1/25 than the Lindberg kit.

 

Edited March 31, 2019 by Richard Bartrop

[Richard Bartrop]

5 hours ago, Jon Haigwood said:

Except maybe this one  It is a 44, I also have pictures of a 43 and a 45

That's a '41.

 

Here's a '42 Lincoln

As was mentioned before, there were no 43-45 Lincolns.  People do make mistakes, so be careful about taking photo captions at face value.

Edited March 31, 2019 by Richard Bartrop

[regular guy]

Have been told there is an AMT flathead V8

Guess you could buy a second one on Ebay.

Section off half of it or more and glue it to sectioned V8.

Probably look close enough to a V12.

Might mount easy.Stretch the frame.

Lazy man's Hot Rod Lincoln.An AMT coupe kit with an AMT flathead V8.

[SfanGoch]

9 hours ago, Jon Haigwood said:

Except maybe this one  It is a 44, I also have pictures of a 43 and a 45

Nope. That isn't a '44. No exceptions to the no-car production policy:

Production of all American cars halted in 1942 as the country entered World War II, with Lincoln producing the last Lincoln Zephyr on February 10.

[jas1957]

15 hours ago, regular guy said:

 

Thanks.

Here is some more on it.

http://www.curbsideclassic.com/blog/music/in-search-of-the-true-hot-rod-lincoln/

I always pictured it as a roadster.Looks like it's a coupe.

I think somebody could build a roadster and be in the spirit of the thing.

Cadillac V8 flathead(if 1/25 model version exists) and OHV 354 Monogram Parts pack could be competitor cars.Those would

be neat era builds.

 

15 hours ago, regular guy said:

 

Thanks.

Here is some more on it.

http://www.curbsideclassic.com/blog/music/in-search-of-the-true-hot-rod-lincoln/

I always pictured it as a roadster.Looks like it's a coupe.

I think somebody could build a roadster and be in the spirit of the thing.

Cadillac V8 flathead(if 1/25 model version exists) and OHV 354 Monogram Parts pack could be competitor cars.Those would

be neat era builds.

Unfortunately no Flathead Caddy exists in scale, (I am thinking about scratching one)

[jas1957]

16 hours ago, regular guy said:

 

Here's the link for Wikipedia article.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hot_Rod_Lincoln

Hot Rod Lincoln was an answer song to Hot Rod Race.

Look at the link for Hot Rod Race and you'll see why that song fell off the scope.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hot_Rod_Race

In one of the articles the car is accurately described.

The only 1/25 flathead V12 I know of is Lindberg u1948 Continental.

I looked at .PDF instructions and it is engine only and it is crude.

It would be a foundation for serious kit hacker to start out with.

There is the Hot Rod Lincoln story.

The Parts Box from Australia has a resin hot rod V12 Lincoln engine.

[Jon Haigwood]

6 hours ago, SfanGoch said:

Nope. That isn't a '44. No exceptions to the no-car production policy:

Production of all American cars halted in 1942 as the country entered World War II, with Lincoln producing the last Lincoln Zephyr on February 10.

Ford did build cars during that time for the military, but that ambulance wasn't one of them . Note to self : Self, do more research before typing 

[Richard Bartrop]

The '41 Lincoln chassis had the same general layout as all the other Ford products, so if you don't feel like hunting down a Monogram Continental for the running gear.,  I would venture that Revell's very nice '40 and '48 Ford kits would get you pretty close, though you'd stillneed a V-12 from another source.

Edited April 1, 2019 by Richard Bartrop

[Jon Haigwood]

I always figured on taking two V8's and making them a V12,

Edited April 1, 2019 by Jon Haigwood

[regular guy]

Mr Haigwood

Chop off the back 2 cylinders of the one that will be the front.

Front two cylinders of the now rear half of V12.

Advantage is it will be all AMT.

Downside is Zepher V12 was 75 degree and V8 was 90 degrees.

Personally I would not lose any sleep over that.

[Jon Haigwood]

14 minutes ago, regular guy said:

Mr Haigwood

Chop off the back 2 cylinders of the one that will be the front.

Front two cylinders of the now rear half of V12.

Advantage is it will be all AMT.

Downside is Zepher V12 was 75 degree and V8 was 90 degrees.

Personally I would not lose any sleep over that.

15 degrees won't be noticeable unless your a bean counter, I haven't checked it out yet but head bolts maybe in a different pattern also ' 

If you were to build it would paint the original color black or go for the Datsun red ? Me personally would paint it black. 

 

[regular guy]

You're asking the wrong person.

I CANNOT make up my mind what to paint anything.

Waiting for a bolt of inspiration and it just has  not shown up yet!

I would say look at some restoration pictures of Lincolns with the ZEPHER V12.

Not the big V12.

See wikidpedia.Ford engines/V12.

Push comes to shove just pick a color and decide.Better for you.

[Mike999]

On ‎3‎/‎31‎/‎2019 at 11:26 AM, jas1957 said:

Unfortunately no Flathead Caddy exists in scale, (I am thinking about scratching one)

At least one exists in 1/24 scale, though it might be easier and cheaper to build your own:  the Danbury Mint '41 Cadillac Sixty Special die-cast has a flathead V-8. 

You might find a damaged one cheap at a flea market or on eBay. I've stripped a couple of junker die-casts for parts.  The engines usually have nice plastic accessory parts, like the air cleaners, exhaust manifolds etc.  But the block itself is usually metal, which will make mods a little tricky.

[Flat32]

Some good block detail in this photo from H&H.

[Jon Haigwood]

Looks like coming up with 4bl carb and manifold won't be a problem  not sure what 4bl carbs were available in the mid 50's 

 

 

 

the actual v12 

 

Edited April 1, 2019 by Jon Haigwood

[regular guy]

Mr Haigwood

That top engine.

That is not a go fast modification.

That is a practical conversion.

May even be a 2bbl to 4bbl adapter under the carb.

There were probably never any speed parts made for the Zephyr V12.

 

[Flat32]

Just now, regular guy said:

Mr Haigwood

That top engine.

That is not a go fast modification.

That is a practical conversion.

May even be a 2bbl to 4bbl adapter under the carb.

There were probably never any speed parts made for the Zephyr V12.

 

https://handhflatheads.com/product-category/austin-speed-equipment/