Monogram 1934 & 1936 Ford Coupe stock parts

[Greg Myers]

These early release '34 & '36 Ford coupe kits from Monogram as well as their first 1940 Ford pick up had some very nice stock parts, engines in particular.

I wonder what it would take to restore the molds to give us the great kits that they first were?

Of course, also wondering who ended up with the molds. Here's hope it was Atlantis, someone that really cares about the hobby.

Edited September 15, 2019 by Greg Myers

[Richard Bartrop]

That's a good question.    As far as doing it with existing parts.  the wheels on the Revel '37 Ford truck look close to the stock '36 wheels.  Has anyone tried them to see if they're actually the right size?

[ChrisBcritter]

I asked Ed Sexton from Revell about putting the old parts back into the '40 Pickup - he said it was a no-go, unfortunately.

[Phirewriter]

Much of the tooling was changed and modified for the the Early Iron series in the the early 70's and as mentioned is irreversible.

[Mark]

If you have both an early (stock parts) version, and a later (Early Iron or later) version of the same car, check the parts trees against one another.  You'll see that, not only are the newer trees smaller, but the parts are arranged differently relative to one another.  That's true with the stock-only '30 Phaeton kit that I once checked against an original multiple-version Phaeton.  That would tell you that the original tooling was cut apart and rearranged, and the original parts not used were likely discarded.  That's in contrast with AMT or MPC kits, where parts thought outdated were just blocked off leaving the trees intact with bigger spaces between the parts.

At the time those alterations were done, the thought process didn't take into account that anyone would want to see those old, outdated parts again in the future.

[Richard Bartrop]

15 minutes ago, ChrisBcritter said:

I asked Ed Sexton from Revell about putting the old parts back into the '40 Pickup - he said it was a no-go, unfortunately.

That's a drag.  On the other hand, if you just have to have a stock '40 Ford Pickup.  I believe they used all the trim parts from the Standard model Ford, so Revell's '40 Ford should supply you with the necessary parts.

[peter31a]

59 minutes ago, Richard Bartrop said:

That's a drag.  On the other hand, if you just have to have a stock '40 Ford Pickup.  I believe they used all the trim parts from the Standard model Ford, so Revell's '40 Ford should supply you with the necessary parts.

Except that the Revell is 1/25 and the pick up is 1/24.

[Richard Bartrop]

20 minutes ago, peter31a said:

Except that the Revell is 1/25 and the pick up is 1/24.

Except if you actually measure it, it's closer to 1/24.

[ChrisBcritter]

Yep - When Tulio (Lovefordgalaxie) posted the AMT and Revell '40 coupes side by side, there was a definite difference - IIRC the Revell kit looked about 3/16" longer.

[Richard Bartrop]

The Revell '40 is definitely bigger than the AMT '40, and the Revell wheels look way oversized in the AMT fenders.

Inspired by this discussion, I mocked up a Monogram '36 Ford body with some Revell '40 Ford wheels.  I don't know about you, but I think they fill the wheel openings pretty nicely.

That would be a nice starting point for an early custom or rod.  With a chopped top and some fender skirts you could get pretty close to the Pierson Bros '36 coupe.

[ChrisBcritter]

Mmmm, nice! The original issue '40 pickup has the '37 DeSoto bumpers for it.

[Richard Bartrop]

5 hours ago, ChrisBcritter said:

Mmmm, nice! The original issue '40 pickup has the '37 DeSoto bumpers for it.

THe Revell '48 Ford Custom Coupe also has a set if you don't feel like hunting down a 50 year old kit.

[Ace-Garageguy]

The Monogram '36 is also an excellent source for fenders to do a correct '38 pickup in 1/25...real close, anyway; though the '38 truck fenders look a lot like '36 car fenders, they are in fact different. The slightly larger 1/24 '36 fenders work very well.

Edited September 16, 2019 by Ace-Garageguy

[Mr. Metallic]

20 hours ago, Greg Myers said:

Of course, also wondering who ended up with the molds. Here's hope it was Atlantis, someone that really cares about the hobby.

 

My understanding was that if the tools were in China within the last 15 years or so, that they were not in the deal with Atlantis. 

This most recent version of the 36 was treated to some new parts, both traditional and modern.

Looks like this was the most recent issue of the 40 pickup

[Ace-Garageguy]

15 hours ago, Richard Bartrop said:

...The Revell '40 is definitely bigger than the AMT '40, and the Revell wheels look way oversized in the AMT fenders.

One thing modelers who haven't spent a lotta time around real stuff often overlook is that tires that fit on, say, 15" rims, can come in a very wide array of rolling diameters.

16" was a very common wheel diameter in the wayback too. Mixing and matching rolling stock from different nominal scales can often get just the look one might be looking for.