Low profile tires and big wheels, Like or dislike?

[StevenGuthmiller]

15 minutes ago, tbill said:

How does one chase kids off the lawn in a mobility scooter? ( asking for a friend)?

 

12 minutes ago, Rodent said:

It needs to have clown car wheels and rubber-band tires. Then you can do it.

Aha!

That could be the answer!

 

 

 

Steve

[Rocking Rodney Rat]

I saw a Rolls Royce convertible donked out (seriously) on the highway the other day, I wasn't able to get a pic (I know, then it never happened).... -RRR

[stitchdup]

5 minutes ago, Rocking Rodney Rat said:

I saw a Rolls Royce convertible donked out (seriously) on the highway the other day, I wasn't able to get a pic (I know, then it never happened).... -RRR

is this it?

[keyser]

Says more about current Rolls buyers than the car. 
Agree with the recent sensible comments. It isn’t just Steve G, couple others do same, complain of snowflakes. Goes both ways. Most people that have modern wheels on their hobby cars don’t use them in snow or potholes Joe. But sweeping generalizations like that are what kills the discussion. 
Anyone that lives where lousy streets are and seasonal weather on their DD will have set of winter wheels and tires, or remount tires on beloved caster wheels too. Why do you think restorations involve rust repair?

Glad you dislike something. Vehement repetition of dislikes kills any credibility or social “fun” in these threads. But we’re at 4 pages. Lol. Someone check the pulse on the horse.
 

[jamesG]

On 10/8/2020 at 10:41 AM, Mr. Metallic said:

So, after all of this, what is the actual point of a thread like this?

I don't like this thing, who else doesn't like this thing?

How does a thread like this enrich the community? Sure, it sparks debate (obviously). But all it really does is ...

1-reinforce the opinions of people who agree with the opinion

2- identify those who are opposed to said opinion

and most importantly, though usually not the intent of the person who starts a thread like this...

3- alienates people who happen to not agree with said opinion. It's not about everyone liking the same thing or that nobody can have a difference of opinion. What it is about is developing an air of exclusivity on what is supposed to be a general interest automotive model forum. If it is a niche forum or board where it's clearly defined that only certain types of models are discussed, then sure, exclude away. Because those parameters are set. But for a general interest board for a hobby that is struggling on it's own to be inclusive of younger/new members to completely dismiss what many of them are into is just shooting ourselves in the foot. How do you think a lurker, or incoming person would feel if they can see that what they are interested in is looked down upon. Even if it is by a vocal minority, someone coming in doesn't see that. All they see is the negativity. 

Opinions, everyone has one, and is entitled to one. But I just fail to see the purpose of a thread like this. 

And jamesG, this is not directed at you. it's just my take on this type of thread as a whole that has been present since message boards and forums became a thing 20+ years ago.

+flame suit on+

So. The point was for me being somewhat new to the forum to find out the thoughts of others on the subject. 

If you read the title you would have seen that I asked for both opinions not just those that agreed with me.

Not every post need to "enrich the community" some things are just for personal interest or I sight.

1 sure it may reinforce some opinions. It may also change some.

2 identify those who oppose? Lol. If that is a concern of yours the solution is simple, dont comment on the post. Also, you will be identifying yourself when you post photos of your builds.

3 the op specifically said this was not to discourage anyone from building what they like and no one here has told others not to do what they want. It is only comments like yours that pull a thread off topic and kill any debat.  I dont read every post or comment on posts but, as of yet I haven't seen even once someone bash another's build. Nor have I see anyone even say " hey, i don't care for those tires but the rest of the build looks great" or similar. All that seems to be said is "great job" "nice work" and the like. There's nothing wrong with giving honest opinion or of a build, just be civil about or even offer a tip on how to improve. 

If all someone is looking for is a an approving pat on the back and can't handle honest critique of their work then they probably shouldn't post it.

Now, if you would like to give your opinion on wheels and tires ,one way or the other, please feel free to do so. 

[jamesG]

On 10/8/2020 at 11:10 AM, bobthehobbyguy said:

I agree 100 percent. Threads like these have the potential for creating ill will.  Don't see the value of picking apart the choices have made for their vehicle. 

Almost every post has that potential,

Again build what you like.

I asked for peoples opinions, they are welcome to give them one way or the other.  I dont think all this forum is about is patting others on the back and discouraging civil debate and honest critique.

 

[StevenGuthmiller]

25 minutes ago, jamesG said:

Nor have I see anyone even say " hey, i don't care for those tires but the rest of the build looks great" or similar. All that seems to be said is "great job" "nice work" and the like. There's nothing wrong with giving honest opinion or of a build, just be civil about or even offer a tip on how to improve. 

If all someone is looking for is a an approving pat on the back and can't handle honest critique of their work then they probably shouldn't post it.

I agree completely!

I add my opinions of particular aspects of an individual's build occasionally, usually just points that might be helpful for improvement in the future.

I will also on occasion voice my opinion of a wheel choice or body color, but it's nothing more than an opinion.

I feel as though if I'm going to post a comment on someone else's build, it might as well be something approaching something constructive rather than just the equivalent of a Facebook "like".

 

I ask people to voice their opinions of my work on my Under Glass and On the Bench threads all of the time, whether they're good or bad.

You're not going to learn a thing without other people's input.

And yes, I receive critiques on color and wheel choices quite often.

It doesn't change my mind on what I decide to do, but it doesn't bother me either.

 

I've had my backside saved numerous times on build threads when people have made suggestions for corrections on items that I wasn't aware of.

I've likewise had information passed on to me about finished projects that I absolutely keep in mind for future builds.

I am grateful for those kinds of critiques, and as long as it's not some kind of "dig" designed to just be a pain in the arse and start an argument, I appreciate them.

 

I learn new things all of the time from the suggestions people make on my projects.

I've never learned anything from a "great job" comment.

 

 

 

 

 

Steve

Edited October 10, 2020 by StevenGuthmiller

[jamesG]

On 10/8/2020 at 11:11 AM, Plowboy said:

Best post yet!! It's no wonder there's no youth in the hobby anymore! The curmudgeons have driven them away!

No it's not, it doesnt answer the question posed in the op at all.

The reason there is no youth in the hobby is because there is no instant gratification , little if any patience, and an inability to take honest critique among youth as well as other things.

[jamesG]

On 10/8/2020 at 1:28 PM, Plowboy said:

True. But, it's the clown wheel, happy meal toy etc. comments that are unwarranted. If I stated that I hated factory stock and thought they looked like absolute garbage with their goofy wheel covers and truck tires, you and others that like factory stock would be offended. There's a lot of things I don't like. But, I choose to focus on what I do like. 

First the "clown car" comments seem to have been the opinions of what those people think they look like,which is what I asked for. If you think they look better than something else, say it. I asked for both opinions not a forum full of "yes men".

[StevenGuthmiller]

2 minutes ago, jamesG said:

No it's not, it doesnt answer the question posed in the op at all.

The reason there is no youth in the hobby is because there is no instant gratification , little if any patience, and an inability to take honest critique among youth as well as other things.

That coupled with the fact that there is no where near the same level of interest in automobiles exhibited by today's youth as there was when most of us where young is a big factor of why they're not interested in building models of them.

Likewise, with the abundance of finished die-cast models that are readily available, why would they build one when they can capitalize on that "instant gratification" inclination and just buy one to go directly onto the shelf.

 

 

 

Steve 

[jamesG]

On 10/8/2020 at 1:43 PM, SfanGoch said:

Who cares what adjectives are used as descriptors? It's not like we're having a Victorian-era tea parlor discussion about women's ankles. As alleged adults, we should be able to handle the use of creative language to describe something without being over-sensitive. None of the terms/expressions used were in any way disparagingly directed at a human and I'm sure that steel wheels, rims and tires couldn't care less.

Nicely put.

[jamesG]

On 10/8/2020 at 2:53 PM, Snake45 said:

Steve, I'm amazed that you're still posting in this discussion, four pages in. 

I think we all know where you are on the topic. In fact, I think EVERYBODY knows where EVERYBODY is on this topic by now. 

Hey, think it'll rain tomorrow? (Just tryin' to change the subject....) 

Being somewhat new to the forum I didn't know where anyone stood and was genuinely curious. So I asked. Seems that was the wrong thing to do. 

[jamesG]

On 10/8/2020 at 3:17 PM, StevenGuthmiller said:

I think that everybody already knew that there was going to be disagreement on this topic before anybody ever posted anything, and I'm pretty certain that a good majority of us knew who would lean which way and who the other.

I've just been having a good time reading and discussing the question at hand, but apparently it's a bad subject to discuss.

It appears that maybe we should have some sort of sensitivity board deciding which subjects are allowed to be considered for deliberation?

 

Who wants to be on the board?

 

 

 

 

Yes, apparently wanting to know the opinions of others is a no no, unless of course they are patting you on the back.

[StevenGuthmiller]

3 minutes ago, jamesG said:

Being somewhat new to the forum I didn't know where anyone stood and was genuinely curious. So I asked. Seems that was the wrong thing to do. 

No James, it wasn't the wrong thing to do.

You're always going to get a few people that are going to rain on your parade, no matter what you post.

 

If we really want to discuss "driving people away" from the forum and hobby, I can't think of a better way to accomplish that then to label an individuals legitimate inquiries as pointless.

 

 

 

Steve 

[jamesG]

3 minutes ago, StevenGuthmiller said:

No James, it wasn't the wrong thing to do.

You're always going to get a few people that are going to rain on your parade, no matter what you post.

 

If we really want to discuss "driving people away" from the forum and hobby, I can't think of a better way to accomplish that then to label an individuals legitimate inquiries as pointless.

 

 

 

Steve 

Thanks steve. I meant that more sarcastically than anything.

I agree, those posts do more to drive people away than anything else.

[SfanGoch]

24 minutes ago, StevenGuthmiller said:

I've never learned anything from a "great job" comment.

Sure you have. You get a valuable lesson in sycophancy.

30 minutes ago, jamesG said:

I dont think all this forum is about is patting others on the back and discouraging civil debate and honest critique.

Scrutinize the comments in "WIP" and "Under Glass" more closely. It's a mutual adulation society meeting with zero constructive criticism and so much o' back slapping that you'd think you're listening to Johnny Ray Hubbard pounding on an upright bass. Alleged adults of this generation are emotionally incapable of taking constructive criticism for what it is. They've been conditioned to believe that it is an outright insult on their character to be told that whatever they did wasn't the epitome of perfection and could have been better accomplished. Honesty is strictly prohibited.

[SfanGoch]

28 minutes ago, jamesG said:

First the "clown car" comments seem to have been the opinions of what those people think they look like,which is what I asked for. If you think they look better than something else, say it. I asked for both opinions not a forum full of "yes men".

In a nutshell, dead on right!

 

[JollySipper]

2 hours ago, jamesG said:

Not every post need to "enrich the community" some things are just for personal interest or I sight.

Sure they need to "enrich the community", otherwise what's the point? Whether a post sparks polarized debate or not, all posts add to the 'life' of the forum.......

2 hours ago, jamesG said:

Nor have I see anyone even say " hey, i don't care for those tires but the rest of the build looks great" or similar.

I see a lot of posts that do just that. In fact I have gotten remarks like that on my stuff..... I'd rather get something like that said than to not get any replies at all....

[Snake45]

1 hour ago, jamesG said:

Being somewhat new to the forum I didn't know where anyone stood and was genuinely curious. So I asked. Seems that was the wrong thing to do. 

My post seems to have been misinterpreted by some, including by my friend Steve G. 

I didn't say and wasn't implying that there was anything wrong with the topic, or with anyone's answer to it. 

Steve G is one of the board's very best builders. He builds factory stock '50s and '60s cars, or darn close to factory stock. Sometimes he uses some period-appropriate "Day 2" wheels and tires. He's good enough to build anything he wants, in any WAY he wants, and this is what he does, and he's extremely good at it. AFAIK he's universally respected here. (Especially by me.) 

His view on the topic was of no surprise to anyone, and no one's disputing him. I just found it odd/curious/interesting that he kept coming back to the discussion. It would be kind of like me seeing a thread on two baseball or basketball teams, and posting on the first page that I have no interest in baseball or basketball, and then coming back to the thread and posting again and again. I just thought it odd that Steve would invest any further time in the topic, that's all. 

I'm sorry if anyone here was offended by my amazement. 

[Snake45]

2 hours ago, jamesG said:

Nor have I see anyone even say " hey, i don't care for those tires but the rest of the build looks great" or similar.

I've posted many, many times here comments like "Not my build style at all (or, "I'm not wild about the color...") but there's no denying your outstanding craftsmanship." Sometimes a build is so well done it deserves a compliment, even if I don't particularly care for it personally. Does that offend anyone? 

[1972coronet]

On 10/8/2020 at 10:28 AM, Plowboy said:

True. But, it's the clown wheel, happy meal toy etc. comments that are unwarranted.

Your builds exhibit class : well thought out , well executed , and tasteful .  

Yes , I'm the one whom employed the 'Happy Meal Toys' assessment...

...there are always exceptions . I have seen some wonderful builds --in-scale and in "1:1"-- with over-15"-diametre wheels that are tastefully done .

[bobthehobbyguy]

21 minutes ago, Snake45 said:

I've posted many, many times here comments like "Not my build style at all (or, "I'm not wild about the color...") but there's no denying your outstanding craftsmanship." Sometimes a build is so well done it deserves a compliment, even if I don't particularly care for it personally. Does that offend anyone? 

I don't see that as objectionable. However some seem to believe that it would acceptable to say well I don't like the clown wheels you put on it but I like the rest. Its not objectionable to not care for something but do we need to make that builder feel like a fool for their choices.

[jamesG]

41 minutes ago, StevenGuthmiller said:

I ask people to voice their opinions of my work on my Under Glass and On the Bench threads all of the time, whether they're good or bad.

You're not going to learn a thing without other people's input.

And yes, I receive critiques on color and wheel choices quite often.

It doesn't change my mind on what I decide to do, but it doesn't bother me either.

 

I've had my backside saved numerous times on build threads when people have made suggestions for corrections on items that I wasn't aware of.

I've likewise had information passed on to me about finished projects that I absolutely keep in mind for future builds.

I am grateful for those kinds of critiques, and as long as it's not some kind of "dig" designed to just be a pain in the arse and start an argument, I appreciate them.

 

I learn new things all of the time from the suggestions people make on my projects.

I've never learned anything from a "great job" comment.

 

I'm with ya there. I expect the same when I finally get some builds posted. Perhaps later I'll post a few of my builds from my first round on here years ago. 

I dont take offense to critique of my work, I use it to spur me to improve. 

Everyone likes to hear when they did a good job but, hearing that you could have done better is important to.

You have a few choices when you hear a bad critique. 

1 throw a tantrum like a child and give up.

2 ignore it and keep making the same mistake

3 learn from it and improve.

[jamesG]

1 hour ago, JollySipper said:

Sure they need to "enrich the community", otherwise what's the point? Whether a post sparks polarized debate or not, all posts add to the 'life' of the forum.......

I see a lot of posts that do just that. In fact I have gotten remarks like that on my stuff..... I'd rather get something like that said than to not get any replies at all....

As I said I dont read every comment or every post for the most part all I have seen is "great job" comments.

[Rodent]

8 minutes ago, jamesG said:

You have a few choices when you hear a bad critique. 

1 throw a tantrum like a child and give up.

2 ignore it and keep making the same mistake

3 learn from it and improve.

4 Blame the critics for unfair criticism?