Moebius 1965 Chevy II Sedan Gasser - First Look Inside the Final Kit Release

[moparfarmer]

On 3/14/2022 at 7:53 AM, Lund said:

I have to get one!

Can't find any in Winnipeg. Where is the most reasonably priced place to order from in Canada?

Come to the WINNIPEG MODEL CAR CLUB meeting Sunday at St.Alphonsos church bingo hall on Monro street at 11:00  It will be our raffle draw..$1.00 each ticket and more than likely will draw at least $150.00..See you there..Come and see Farmer at the adm table..

[1972coronet]

4 hours ago, slusher said:

check modelroundup.com  or Burbank house of hobbies..

I perused Burbank's House of Hobbies, but only found the stock '64 SS Hardtop; no Gasser.

I really wanted to buy from them, but no luck. I ended up buying via eBay instead.

Model Roundup provides excellent service as well; I almost bought from them  --but,  the Welshman in me said, "But this eBay seller's shiping is much cheaper!"

[Plowboy]

Just got mine a couple of days ago. My plan was to stick a '66 Nova pro street chassis under it. Here's a few photos of the body. 

 

[Snake45]

1 hour ago, Plowboy said:

Just got mine a couple of days ago. My plan was to stick a '66 Nova pro street chassis under it. Here's a few photos of the body. 

That'll work. The AMT '66 PS chassis fits under there with little or no modification. Drive on! 

 

[Plowboy]

On 3/19/2022 at 11:53 AM, Snake45 said:

That'll work. The AMT '66 PS chassis fits under there with little or no modification. Drive on! 

I have to figure out how to fix the roof, especially the rear section, first. If I can't fix it, I'll stick a '66 Nova body and interior on the '65 chassis. 

[Snake45]

1 hour ago, Plowboy said:

I have to figure out how to fix the roof, especially the rear section, first. If I can't fix it, I'll stick a '66 Nova body and interior on the '65 chassis. 

What's wrong with the '65 2DS roof? It looks accurate enough to me. Keep in mind that the '65 2DS roof was different from the '62-'64s. I'm gonna try to convert mine to the earlier style, and I'm pretty sure I've figured out how to do it. Stay tuned. 

[Plowboy]

1 hour ago, Snake45 said:

What's wrong with the '65 2DS roof? It looks accurate enough to me. Keep in mind that the '65 2DS roof was different from the '62-'64s. I'm gonna try to convert mine to the earlier style, and I'm pretty sure I've figured out how to do it. Stay tuned. 

A lot. The first thing I noticed out of the box was the huge flat spot at the top of the C pillar. 

Another angle.

When viewed from above, you can see how much the rear of the roof tapers off.

That taper causes a huge problem with the backlight. It measures 1.8665 inches which scales out to 46.6625 inches. Per the Nova Resource website, it should be 55 inches. That's a huge difference. But, it explains the overly tapered issue and the angled tulip panel lines.

Then there's the two crowns that run the length of the roof. Those can be sanded away if the styrene is thick enough.

 

Then, there's the roof height. I did comparative measurements with the AMT '63 Nova wagon. Most of the measurements were fairly close. Until I measured from the beltline to the bottom of the drip rail. The wagon measured .6755. The sedan measured .6175. Scaled out, there's a difference of 1.45 scale inches. The DLO openings were almost identical. But, that came at the expense of the frame of the door and quarter window and the lip at the bottom of the DLO. Both are almost gone. The frame at the top of the door only measures 1/2 mm. If there was a panel line between the frame and drip rail, it would be even less. 

This photo shows how the door and quarter frames should look quite well.

This photo shows how the bottom of the backlight and the DLO are the exact same plane. It also shows that the lip above the beltline is pretty substantial. 

So, no, I wouldn't say it's accurate at all. 

 

 

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Back glass width:

Edited March 21, 2022 by afx

[Rob Hall]

Not sure what is going on with the black & white 1:1 in the pic above...has the '65 roof but '62-64 taillights???

Edited March 21, 2022 by Rob Hall

[afx]

51 minutes ago, Plowboy said:

That taper causes a huge problem with the backlight. It measures 1.8665 inches which scales out to 46.6625 inches. Per the Nova Resource website, it should be 55 inches. That's a huge difference. But, it explains the overly tapered issue and the angled tulip panel lines.

This photo shows how the bottom of the backlight and the DLO are the exact same plane. It also shows that the lip above the beltline is pretty substantial.  

To Roger's points:

Edited March 21, 2022 by afx

[Snake45]

1 hour ago, Rob Hall said:

Not sure what is going on with the black & white 1:1 in the pic above...has the '65 roof but '62-64 taillights???

And the parking lights in the front fenders, too, which the '65 doesn't have. WTH? 

Edited March 21, 2022 by Snake45

[Jack L]

who noticed that the 65 rear springs are moved in and the wheel tubs are larger than stock . So one could build a mini tub 64 by moving the springs in 

[moparfarmer]

31 minutes ago, Snake45 said:

And the parking lights in the front fenders, too. WTH? 

1 hour ago, afx said:

To Roger's points:

The roof might not be perfect but enjoy the model everybody because it is what it is..I bet no one would have noticed at all if not mentioned by some purist..Enjoy the kit and enjoy building your own version of it..

On 3/14/2022 at 7:53 AM, Lund said:

I have to get one!

Can't find any in Winnipeg. Where is the most reasonably priced place to order from in Canada?

Come to the WINNIPEG MODEL CAR CLUB meeting Sunday at St.Alphonsos church bingo hall on Monro street at 11:00  It will be our raffle draw..$1.00 each ticket and more than likely will draw at least $150.00..See you there..Come and see Farmer at the adm table..

[Plowboy]

5 hours ago, Rob Hall said:

Not sure what is going on with the black & white 1:1 in the pic above...has the '65 roof but '62-64 taillights???

Pretty sure it's actually a '64. Same sedan roof. The reason I used that photo is it shows the framing on the door and quarter windows well because of the way it's painted. 

[Plowboy]

3 hours ago, moparfarmer said:

The roof might not be perfect but enjoy the model everybody because it is what it is..I bet no one would have noticed at all if not mentioned by some purist..Enjoy the kit and enjoy building your own version of it..

 

That's the reason we get kits like this. As long as builders accept mediocre kits, the kit companies will keep pumping them out. 

[moparfarmer]

Just now, Plowboy said:

That's the reason we get kits like this. As long as builders accept mediocre kits, the kit companies will keep pumping them out. 

Better to get a kit like this than not one at all..Its sent off shore for production and those who do the build don't even probably know what a 65 Nova is..

 

 

[Plowboy]

4 hours ago, Jack L said:

who noticed that the 65 rear springs are moved in and the wheel tubs are larger than stock . So one could build a mini tub 64 by moving the springs in 

I noticed it. But, for myself, I see it as an advantage. Does the stock '64 have the same floorpan? 

Edited March 22, 2022 by Plowboy

[Plowboy]

52 minutes ago, moparfarmer said:

Better to get a kit like this than not one at all..Its sent off shore for production and those who do the build don't even probably know what a 65 Nova is..

 

 

If I'm not mistaken, someone from here (Moebius) that has seen (hopefully) a '65 Nova has to approve the test shot before production begins. 

[Rob Hall]

2 hours ago, Plowboy said:

Pretty sure it's actually a '64. Same sedan roof. The reason I used that photo is it shows the framing on the door and quarter windows well because of the way it's painted. 

'64 sedan had the same roof as the '62-63, which is very different from the '65.   '62-64 2dr sedan roof had a thinner C-pillar and a larger wrap around rear window..

Edited March 22, 2022 by Rob Hall

[Snake45]

Rob has it right. That B&W car sure doesn't look like a '64 2DS body, but it doesn't quite look like a '65 either. I wonder if it's something of a "custom"? 

[Rob Hall]

3 minutes ago, Snake45 said:

Rob has it right. That B&W car sure doesn't look like a '64 2DS body, but it doesn't quite look like a '65 either. I wonder if it's something of a "custom"? 

I think it's a '65 w/ a '64 decklid and taillights.  Not sure why someone would do that, unless they didn't like the '65 taillights...

 

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[Plowboy]

40 minutes ago, Rob Hall said:

I think it's a '65 w/ a '64 decklid and taillights.  Not sure why someone would do that, unless they didn't like the '65 taillights...

 

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It must be some kind of hodge podge. It has a '64 grille and a '65 bumper.

Is it possible it's a late '64 with a '65 roof? Kinda like how they used the '61 roofs on the first '62 Impalas? I hadn't looked at the front or rear before now. I just found that photo in a Google search and it showed the door and quarter window frames well.

[Rob Hall]

21 minutes ago, Plowboy said:

It must be some kind of hodge podge. It has a '64 grille and a '65 bumper.

 

Is it possible it's a late '64 with a '65 roof? Kinda like how they used the '61 roofs on the first '62 Impalas? I hadn't looked at the front or rear before now. I just found that photo in a Google search and it showed the door and quarter window frames well.

No idea..all I know is what I've read that the sedan rooflines were new for '65.

[keyser]

It’s a Barn find. Whatever they found in the barn got hung on it. ?‍?️

[RDean58]

4 hours ago, Plowboy said:

That's the reason we get kits like this. As long as builders accept mediocre kits, the kit companies will keep pumping them out. 

4 hours ago, moparfarmer said:

Better to get a kit like this than not one at all..Its sent off shore for production and those who do the build don't even probably know what a 65 Nova is..

 

 

What we need on this board is a complaint section, where everyone can post their dislikes or opinions on how bad model kits are. That way people who just want to see the kits contents and get a feel for it will not be subject to all the negative comments. I am so tired about hearing the defects and errors or omissions or "lousy, lazy, mediocre," kit comments. 

Off my soapbox now. The Nova kits have a lot of good things going for them and like it has been said at least 10,000 times before, no kit is accurate down to the .000001 of an inch. Can't be done, we don't have the technology to shrink a real car down to 1/25th size. Sorry about that, maybe next century ?