Hellcat Gremlin X

[1930fordpickup]

https://www.autoevolution.com/news/amc-gremlin-with-dodge-challenger-hellcat-face-is-a-mashup-that-actually-works-179488.html# Not a real car but it is cool to me. 

[Joe Handley]

No, I’d leave the Gremlin face or adapt a Javelin/AMX front clip.

[Fat Brian]

I like it, but I can't imagine trying to drive something so short with that much power.

[Dave Ambrose]

Driveability aside, that car looks wicked. 

[Classicgas]

I agree.  I actually really like it. 

[Joe Handley]

11 hours ago, Fat Brian said:

I like it, but I can't imagine trying to drive something so short with that much power.

I built one in Forza 4 some years back that was way overpowered and almost undrivable under power.

[tim08]

I like it. A Hellcat Hatchback

[BlackSheep214]

That looks really cool. If it was drivable and had the same power as the Hellcat, that thing probably flip over before he gets going. LOL!

[Erik Smith]

It's close. I think sectioning the front end so it's the same level as the rocker panels would remove some of the mouth breather look it has going. It's cool concept though.

 

[peter31a]

I can't get past the fact it looks like someone tacked a gremlin rear end onto a challenger. If the front end looked slightly more Gremlin-ish then I think it would really work for me.

[Oldcarfan27]

5 hours ago, peter31a said:

I can't get past the fact it looks like someone tacked a gremlin rear end onto a challenger. If the front end looked slightly more Gremlin-ish then I think it would really work for me.

Agreed, take off the Challenger nose and I'm in!

[Mark]

If you made the Gremlin big enough to match up with the Challenger, you'd end up with a two ton Gremlin.  The new Challenger is way bigger than the old one, let alone a Gremlin.

[Dave Van]

On 1/27/2022 at 4:18 AM, Joe Handley said:

No, I’d leave the Gremlin face or adapt a Javelin/AMX front clip.

Cool concept keep the Gremlin sheet metal

[Jon Haigwood]

For me it looks like  a Gremlin half way thru a time portal 

 

[Smoke Wagon]

On 1/27/2022 at 5:29 PM, Tim08 said:

I like it. A Hellcat Hatchback

A Hellhatch, if you will. 

[Ace-Garageguy]

I like the concept, and the Gremlin was pretty wide for a "small" car, 'cause American Motors couldn't afford to tool up for something narrower and had to use big-car underpinnings...so the width might be close, or at least workable.

What puts me off about the p-shopped mashup is the excessive length ahead of the front wheels, and as mentioned above, the excessive heaviness and bulk of the front bumper/airdam/whatever.

The perspective of the angle of the face doesn't match the rest of the vehicle either...not even close...and looks stupid.

Some tuning of the idea by somebody with talent could make this thing a knockout.   

EDIT: Too bad Harry P. has gone to the big studio in the sky. He could fix it.

 

Edited February 1, 2022 by Ace-Garageguy

[Rocking Rodney Rat]

They ruined a perfectly good Gremlin!!!! -RRR

[Smoke Wagon]

3 hours ago, Ace-Garageguy said:

the Gremlin was pretty wide for a "small" car, 'cause American Motors couldn't afford to tool up for something narrower and had to use big-car underpinnings

The Gremlin is based off of and the same width as the Hornet.

The Pacer on the other hand was AMC’s “First Wide Small Car”, coming in at nearly 7 inches wider than the Gremlin.

[Ace-Garageguy]

41 minutes ago, Smoke Wagon said:

The Gremlin is based off of and the same width as the Hornet.

The Pacer on the other hand was AMC’s “First Wide Small Car”, coming in at nearly 7 inches wider than the Gremlin.

However true that may be, the Gremlin / Hornet line used many carryover parts from AMC's full-size car lines, primarily for economic reasons, and as a result, the Hornet / Gremlin are hardly "small" cars. Smaller than some, but not exactly small.

The point I was making is that the Gremlin and late-model Challenger are close enough in width that a real version of the concept shown above is entirely within the realm of possibility, and hardly as difficult as it might appear to be to the heavy-modification uninitiated.

The quick research I just did list's the Hornet's width as 71.1", Gremlin at 70.59"...and they're both on the same basic chassis stampings.

(EDIT: Some online sources claim the Pacer's floor stampings are the same as Gremlin / Hornet, so those three cars are very closely related structurally...if true.)

A similar Q&D online source lists an '09 Challenger's width as 75.7".

Four or five and a half inches is close enough to get the two major design elements to work together without excessive difficulty...which again, was my point.

 

Edited February 2, 2022 by Ace-Garageguy

[Smoke Wagon]

 

2 hours ago, Ace-Garageguy said:

the Hornet / Gremlin are hardly "small" cars. Smaller than some, but not exactly small.

 

With all due respect Bill, Gremlins are only about half an inch wider than a Ford Pinto, and only a few inches longer (170.3”) with the big 5 mph bumpers.

Edited February 2, 2022 by Smoke Wagon
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[Jon Haigwood]

For the first time in a very long time I spotted an AMC Eagle Wagon yesterday. 

[Ace-Garageguy]

10 hours ago, Smoke Wagon said:

 

With all due respect Bill, Gremlins are only about half an inch wider than a Ford Pinto, and only a few inches longer (170.3”) with the big 5 mph bumpers.

I'm not arguing with you about anything.

All I've been saying is that the Gremlin / Challenger nose swap could work, as the widths are close enough for a talented and skilled builder...real or in scale...to make it work.   

EDIT: It wouldn't be the first time a pony-car nose was grafted to a Gremlin; AMC built this in 1968...

Edited February 2, 2022 by Ace-Garageguy

[Mark]

That AMX/Gremlin was a pushmobile, never a running car.  Not sure of the dimensions, but I'd guess the width was close to the stock AMX (Javelin used the same front end sheet metal).

The width of the Gremlin and Hornet might be a bit deceiving.  The fender flares on those cars do add quite a bit to the overall width.  I owned a Spirit (basically a hatchback Gremlin; in fact it was first shown as a Gremlin concept, the G-II) and the fender flares, particularly the rears, were quite wide.  The interior was roomy (in front, anyway!) but not what I'd call super wide.  Great car, I'd buy another if the right one came along...

[Hotrod 97]

Not bad, but it would look better without the Challenger nose. It might look even better with a same-year Challenger nose (?).

[Mark]

The styling of the Challenger's front end (forward of the wheels) might be workable on the Gremlin body, but not the parts themselves...that would come off as bad as those newer Corvettes with '53 headlights and grilles adapted to them.