AMT 1960 3-in-1 Ford F-100 Pickup Truck

[rekcirb13]

On 3/9/2022 at 5:53 PM, Oldcarfan27 said:

Chalk that one and the 66 Chevy pickup as probably lost in the "Great Purge".

 

[rekcirb13]

On 3/9/2022 at 8:36 PM, leafsprings said:

There is hope, they can reverse engineer from a complete old kit, as they have done recently with the IH 4070A. There is a strong market for it, old paint and glue bombs consistently sell for over $100 as long as I can remember. Maybe an insider can chime in if it's in the cards.

I hope that you're right about this, Tommy. Sure would love to see an updated version of that kit with grille options for a 1959 model.

[rekcirb13]

On 3/9/2022 at 10:23 PM, Casey said:

For context, John G works for Round2, who manages the AMT brand:

JohnG says:

July 31, 2014 at 7:40 pm

This is only a portion of the molds, but goes way beyond the latest catalog. Some tools were never sampled in this program. I can say without a doubt that the early 60’s Ford trucks are long gone, unfortunately.

Thank you, Casey. That is too bad. What about reverse engineering to bring back this kit? 

[rekcirb13]

On 3/10/2022 at 8:58 AM, tim boyd said:

Given the popularity of the Moebius series of mid 1960's to early 1970's pickup kits, which have been very good sellers from what I hear, there will be added interest in filling the gaps in the late-1950's to late 1970's pickup kit tooling.  However, this would likely be from new tooling rather than reissues/modified reissues (and as indicated above, the tooling for the original 1960 F100 kit is long gone from what we know).  Personally, the 1967/68 Chevy pickup and the 1957 F100 would be at the top of my list, but with creative used of tooling components, if a 1957 F100 came along, a 1960 F100 (and 1958/1959 versions) would seem to be a logical extension. 

Just so we are clear on the above, I have no insider info to base this on, these are just my own personal thoughts and observations....TB 

Thank you for getting back to me, Tim! I agree with your assessment of this situation. I think that a 1957-1960 Ford F-100 series would generate a lot of excitement and interest, as well as being a money maker for Moebius, AMT, or whoever might take on this task.

[rekcirb13]

On 3/10/2022 at 12:52 PM, Mark said:

Ertl did a halfway decent 1/25 scale diecast '60 pickup.  Unfortunately they chose to do it as a 4 x 4, and included the typical junk cast as part of the bed floor.  I've got one, might use the cab to build a ramp truck or a stepside.

Thank you, Mark.

[rekcirb13]

On 3/11/2022 at 6:56 PM, leafsprings said:

Thanks for your input Tim. IMO, the 57, 58, 59, 60 would be a great series,  improvements could be made with a  frame and suspension, and  cab and bed could be separate pieces. One other thing that could be improved,  a separate bench seat  not molded into the interior tub.  I believe Modelhaus covered the 57, 58 and 60 in resin, but never did the '59. ( shown below) IMO, the best looking of the series.

Tommy, I could not agree with you and Tim more. Of all the years, 1959 was my favorite, as well!

[rekcirb13]

On 3/12/2022 at 11:39 AM, espo said:

As mentioned, maybe with Moebius interest in Ford pickups the '60 model and others could be their next project. 

That would be great, David!

[Oldcarfan27]

1 hour ago, rekcirb13 said:

Thank you, Patrick.

Sorry, not trying to be a "Debbie Downer". I'd love to find these trucks, especially the 57-60 versions. I know how elusive they are and that they've never been reissued, hence my resignation that they've been sent to that great tooling vault in the sky.

However, I'd love to be proven wrong. 

[rekcirb13]

1 hour ago, Oldcarfan27 said:

Sorry, not trying to be a "Debbie Downer". I'd love to find these trucks, especially the 57-60 versions. I know how elusive they are and that they've never been reissued, hence my resignation that they've been sent to that great tooling vault in the sky.

However, I'd love to be proven wrong. 

I'd like that,as well! (LOL)

[rekcirb13]

On 3/9/2022 at 10:23 PM, Casey said:

For context, John G works for Round2, who manages the AMT brand:

JohnG says:

July 31, 2014 at 7:40 pm

This is only a portion of the molds, but goes way beyond the latest catalog. Some tools were never sampled in this program. I can say without a doubt that the early 60’s Ford trucks are long gone, unfortunately.

That's a bummer...

[rekcirb13]

On 3/10/2022 at 12:52 PM, Mark said:

Ertl did a halfway decent 1/25 scale diecast '60 pickup.  Unfortunately they chose to do it as a 4 x 4, and included the typical junk cast as part of the bed floor.  I've got one, might use the cab to build a ramp truck or a stepside.

Mark, if you do build it, I'd like to see some in-process photos.

[rekcirb13]

On 3/11/2022 at 11:03 AM, Mr. Metallic said:

Could do it as a stepside too since the beds and fenders didn't change between 53 and sometime in the 70's no?

Love to see it!

[rekcirb13]

On 3/12/2022 at 12:42 PM, Tom Geiger said:

Just piping in....  Back when this series was just a Dave Burket pipe dream, he had visions of creating the entire series. Dave is a Ford guy so this was his focus, not the other deserving brands.  He pitched the idea to Moebius and even self funded the versions you see as Model King releases.

If it was up to Dave, he would have done each and every year. In fact the work box that just came out first started with my model Pyrite's Paddler 53 Ford pickup. Of course business happens and times change.  Moebius changed hands and there were some growing pains there.  We didn't know the mindset of the new owners.  At least Dave Metzner is still involved and the trucks keep coming.  

For the Chevy guys, Round 2 has the 55 & 57 pickups.  Popping out a 56 would be nothing more than adding the different emblems from the 55.  The 58-59 trucks used the same chassis, and the interiors are even close enough.  With tooling of new bodies etc.  these could be brought to market fairly easy!

 

Thanks for the info, Tom!

[rekcirb13]

On 3/18/2022 at 8:27 PM, leafsprings said:

I did pretty much the same on a F 350 conversion, flat panel with some putty work, but the back of '57-'60 cabs really have a lot of detail that is hard to duplicate.

It would'n really matter if there was a body mounted behind the cab, as it probably would not be visible.

[Tom Geiger]

On 3/24/2022 at 2:58 PM, Oldcarfan27 said:

Sorry, not trying to be a "Debbie Downer". I'd love to find these trucks, especially the 57-60 versions. I know how elusive they are and that they've never been reissued, hence my resignation that they've been sent to that great tooling vault in the sky.

However, I'd love to be proven wrong. 

Modelhaus did resin copies of these.  Put an eBay search out for that and you'll get an email whenever you get a hit!   Although Modelhaus kits have been offered for big dollars, these pickups might be flying under the radar.  When Modelhaus offered everyone  one last chance to order, I got the '58 cab... my birthyear.

[rsmodels]

Ertl's 60 Ford pickup can be made into a pretty nice model. Here are photos of one I did over and photos of how they look from Ertl. They are pretty easy to find.

I purposely kept this build quite simple. I did grind out the back and make a floor and wheel wells as well as adding the hood emblems. I put stock wheels on it but did not drill out the centers of the front hubcaps as I have a set of larger tires and rims and thought I may change them out at some point. The colors are correct for 1960.

I also have a few more unbuilt originals from AMT as well as one I built.

                                                                                                                          Rich

 

                                                                                                    

 

 

 

[leafsprings]

Very impressive job on the transformation. With all the details added, it really looks like the AMT model.  All the colors, exterior and interior, look factory spot on.

[rsmodels]

 Thanks, I could take photos of this and the AMT side by side if anyone's interested.

[Plowboy]

To me, the Ertl diecast doesn't look nearly as good as the AMT kit. Some things that immediately jump out at me are the roof, missing slots in the hood, the too high rear wheel openings and the FORD letters on the tailgate. 

[rsmodels]

Roger, you are quite right. I'm glad you mentioned these faults.  I thought about correcting all those things, especially the incorrect tailgate lettering but decided to keep it as simple as possible. I did modify the rear window opening a bit but it is still far from correct. As far as ride height, this is a 4 wheel drive truck so it should be higher than stock 2 wheel drive. As I said, I may change to larger, more aggressive tires and wheels with hubs at some point but I like it this way displayed next to an AMT.  

For the price and what it is, this model isn't really too bad.       -Rich

 

 

 

 

                                

[rekcirb13]

Thanks for the input, guys!

 

[Carmak]

On 3/9/2022 at 4:53 PM, Oldcarfan27 said:

Chalk that one and the 66 Chevy pickup as probably lost in the "Great Purge".

The 66 C-10 mold survived at least into the 90's and is quite possibly still around. This is a mid 90's test shot of the mold I got from a former ERTL employee.

 

[Oldcarfan27]

9 hours ago, Carmak said:

The 66 C-10 mold survived at least into the 90's and is quite possibly still around. This is a mid 90's test shot of the mold I got from a former ERTL employee.

 

Like I also said:

On 3/24/2022 at 11:58 AM, Oldcarfan27 said:

"I'd love to be proven wrong."

Here's hoping it can be found!

[Plowboy]

It really wouldn't make sense for Round2 to bring the original '60 Chevy Apache back. They just need to make a LWB frame and bed for the current kit. Extra points for the '61 grille and turn signal pods. They could also do a '62 with a grille and hood. The original '60 isn't that great anyway. Especially, the body. 

Edited May 14, 2022 by Plowboy

[SteveG]

On 3/10/2022 at 8:58 AM, tim boyd said:

Given the popularity of the Moebius series of mid 1960's to early 1970's pickup kits, which have been very good sellers from what I hear, there will be added interest in filling the gaps in the late-1950's to late 1970's pickup kit tooling.  However, this would likely be from new tooling rather than reissues/modified reissues (and as indicated above, the tooling for the original 1960 F100 kit is long gone from what we know).  Personally, the 1967/68 Chevy pickup and the 1957 F100 would be at the top of my list, but with creative used of tooling components, if a 1957 F100 came along, a 1960 F100 (and 1958/1959 versions) would seem to be a logical extension. 

Just so we are clear on the above, I have no insider info to base this on, these are just my own personal thoughts and observations....TB 

For what it's worth. I would be willing to put some time in toward evaluating the AMT 1960 Ford F-100 as a possible future reverse engineering project.   The fact we could cover 1957 through 1960 is a big plus in its favor.   What would be helpful to me would be to see some analysis of what AMT got right and or wrong shape and detail wise.  A comparison with the Ertl diecast wouldn't hurt either.   The more information I have before making my pitch the better.   There's no guaranty it will happen but I will at least give it a try. 

-Steve