Texas 3D Customs

[DoctorLarry]

Seems reasonable. I would think that there would not be a huge difference but based on what you are saying there might be due to model tooling being off from true scale.

[Texas_3D_Customs]

1 minute ago, DoctorLarry said:

Seems reasonable. I would think that there would not be a huge difference but based on what you are saying there might be due to model tooling being off from true scale.

So there's like nothing I can do about that I can't make an engine in 10 different "scales" but I have seen my engines used in plenty of 1:25 kits without issue

[DoctorLarry]

I understand. I was just thinking through what you said about the models being not correct in scale. Your engines are super detailed so they will look great in my build.

[Texas_3D_Customs]

Another Pontiac V8 version 

[George Bojaciuk]

Not to hijack this thread but I wrote about "Size Matters" in one of my columns. Kits were usually close but not exact. My pic shows an original MPC Camaro that has be rebuilt about 5 times! Next to it is a Nova with a 1:24th engine. You tell me!

[Texas_3D_Customs]

12 minutes ago, George Bojaciuk said:

Not to hijack this thread but I wrote about "Size Matters" in one of my columns. Kits were usually close but not exact. My pic shows an original MPC Camaro that has be rebuilt about 5 times! Next to it is a Nova with a 1:24th engine. You tell me!

Okay I will tell you So where did that 1:24 engine come from, can you guarantee that it is actually 1:24 scale and I mean accurate scale not just it came with a kit it came from this person whatever where did that come from. There are other issues here like engine placement. The Camaro you have the distributor sitting up against the firewall but The Nova there is a significant gap between the firewall and the distributor but looking at these two pictures which the quality is not very good and hard to see for sure it actually looks like your Camaro The engine is indeed larger looking at the valve covers they look longer than the Nova. But let's get down to actual numbers not hey I've got a picture here's a kit this is what I'm showing you but let's get down to real empirical data. A 1:24 LS with the transmission and all the accessories are on it, the difference in total length from the end of the tail shaft to the front of the water pump is 2 mm The width is 0.75 mm wider and the height is a about the same I think it's closer to 0.9 mm taller. So if we're going to take real empirical data the difference in the total length including the transmission is about the width of a quarter, when I say with I don't mean to diameter I mean from the front face the back face. So tell me total assembled engine 2 mm, you're going to convince me that that is noticeable and it really matters that much, Because If you're going to tell me that the width of the quarter over the whole length, I'm not saying 2 mm to the front I'm saying if you split it right at the bell housing 1 mm forward 1 mm back, and the same with the width you're talking not even half a millimeter on each side. Yes I'm going to do everything in metric because I'm an engineer. The point being I can have this conversation a million times and people can swear that I've built kit X with engine Y from vendor Z and it's way different I've also seen pictures that someone took of Offenhauser engines all kit made and the 1:24 kit engine was smaller than the 1:25 kit engine So explain that one to me.

Edited December 13, 2024 by Texas_3D_Customs
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[Texas_3D_Customs]

20 minutes ago, George Bojaciuk said:

Not to hijack this thread but I wrote about "Size Matters" in one of my columns. Kits were usually close but not exact. My pic shows an original MPC Camaro that has be rebuilt about 5 times! Next to it is a Nova with a 1:24th engine. You tell me!

So I have an even better example, my Hellcat engine. I do sell a 1:25 Charger version, it lines up almost exactly with the original non-Hellcat version, but the reality is that the engine itself is no different in size than the 1:24 version, the change is actually the blower and oil pan. They are shorter because the Hellcat oil sump is significantly taller than the RT/SRT oil sump and the blower is also reduced in height to fit under the hood. The length and width are exactly the same only those two parts are different and it mainly due to the kit not being designed well and the hood is not made to accommodate the tall blower from the Hellcat. Size matters but not how its viewed by the average person. Judging scale based on what someone calls scale X or Y is not the same as talking about doing something in accurate scale made from precise measurement/scanning of real 1:1 items and faithfully reproducing them at true scale. If it was the problem that you are making it out to be, why then have my engines been used in countless builds and look great? 

[Texas_3D_Customs]

32 minutes ago, George Bojaciuk said:

Not to hijack this thread but I wrote about "Size Matters" in one of my columns. Kits were usually close but not exact. My pic shows an original MPC Camaro that has be rebuilt about 5 times! Next to it is a Nova with a 1:24th engine. You tell me!

And since you want to do a comparison here is a faithfully recreated 124 scale DZ inspired small block Chevy and an AMT Nova SS kit No I haven't fully built it No I will never have time to finish because this is what I do I work out here all day long I hardly ever see my kids anymore because by the time I'm done they're off at soccer diving or in bed but here's a true comparison 1:24 scale engine accurate 1:24 scale late on the chassis inside the Nova SS kit that's 1:25 scale.

[George Bojaciuk]

Lol! I’m not jumping thru hoops! I was trying to take your side!

My point, Charles, was that the scale difference is minimal. Your engines should fit kits fine. Why do you think I buy them? Kits are not accurate, especially older kits. I wrote a column regarding this a few years ago. When I did FM projects, sometimes tires had to be increased just slightly in diameter so they fit the wheel well better. Otherwise, a true scale tire would look lost on a certain models. I’ve used 25th on 24th and Vice versa. If it looks good to the eye, let it fly. I own a real BB and it fills my Chevelle engine compartment, nicely. On a Nova or Camaro it should fill it even more so.

BTW…I absolutely love that DZ engine!

Edited December 16, 2024 by George Bojaciuk

[Texas_3D_Customs]

16 minutes ago, George Bojaciuk said:

Lol! I’m not jumping thru hoops! I was trying to take your side!

My point, Charles, was that the scale difference is minimal. Your engines should fit kits fine. Why do you think I buy them? Kits are not accurate, especially older kits. I wrote a column regarding this a few years ago. When I did FM projects, sometimes tires had to be increased just slightly in diameter so they fit the wheel well better. Otherwise, a true scale tire would look lost on a certain models. I’ve used 25th on 24th and Vice versa. If it looks good to the eye, let it fly. I own a real BB and it fills my Chevelle engine compartment, nicely. On a Nova or Camaro it should fill it even more so.

BTW…I absolutely love that DZ engine!

I'm sorry that's not how I read it and I guess I'm confused because I get a lot of people hating on me because of the scale thing and they'll point to this kit or that kit and from the picture I'm looking at it looks like the Nova on the right the engine in it is too big That's my opinion though It's hard to say but 99.9% of the time people want to argue with me that there's a big difference and that's how I read it

Edited December 16, 2024 by Texas_3D_Customs

[Mark C.]

I wouldn’t worry about what some people say on the internet.  There are lots of jokers out there who I swear only log on so they can argue with somebody.  Doesn’t matter what the subject is they will argue about it.

Now I’ll admit that haven’t bought any of your products yet, but from the photos you have posted, it’s obvious that you take a great deal of pride in getting the details right on.  Your engines are works of art.  Therefore you should disregard anyone who criticizes anything you do, as they obviously don’t know what they’re talking about, or they just get some sort of twisted joy out of arguing for the sake of arguing.

[espo]

4 hours ago, Mark C. said:

I wouldn’t worry about what some people say on the internet.  There are lots of jokers out there who I swear only log on so they can argue with somebody.  Doesn’t matter what the subject is they will argue about it.

Now I’ll admit that haven’t bought any of your products yet, but from the photos you have posted, it’s obvious that you take a great deal of pride in getting the details right on.  Your engines are works of art.  Therefore you should disregard anyone who criticizes anything you do, as they obviously don’t know what they’re talking about, or they just get some sort of twisted joy out of arguing for the sake of arguing.

I'll vouch for their Baja Bug conversion kits as well. 

[Texas_3D_Customs]

Yet another Pontiac version 

[Texas_3D_Customs]

Almost done with this platform but here's another version 

[Young iron]

1 hour ago, Texas_3D_Customs said:

Almost done with this platform but here's another version 

Isn't that a Ram Air V ?

[Texas_3D_Customs]

6 minutes ago, Young iron said:

Isn't that a Ram Air V ?

Maybe 

[Fat Brian]

Before you're done with options for this engine could I suggest a version with billet Pontiac valve covers? About every big power build you see of a Pontiac engine has something similar to these.

[Texas_3D_Customs]

10 minutes ago, Fat Brian said:

Before you're done with options for this engine could I suggest a version with billet Pontiac valve covers? About every big power build you see of a Pontiac engine has something similar to these.

Not really my style

[Fat Brian]

11 minutes ago, Texas_3D_Customs said:

Not really my style

Fair enough, doesn't hurt to ask.

[Texas_3D_Customs]

I am almost done with this platform but not yet

[DoctorLarry]

Are the modified engines up on the web site yet?

[Texas_3D_Customs]

7 minutes ago, DoctorLarry said:

Are the modified engines up on the web site yet?

All versions of the Pontiac V8 that I will do for them foreseeable future are all on my website now The only thing I may add is a different hat for the blower other than that I think I have plenty of selection at this point

[stavanzer]

Re: Monogram Engines.

I recall reading many years ago, that a Monogram Executive stated that many of the older 1/24 scale Muscle Cars, had the engines increased in size approx 10% in order to "look Better" in the kit.

Not sure how true this is, but it would explain some of the readily observable size differences in engine parts, between kits.

It may be more than just 1/25 vs 1/24 in some cases.

[Texas_3D_Customs]

15 minutes ago, stavanzer said:

Re: Monogram Engines.

I recall reading many years ago, that a Monogram Executive stated that many of the older 1/24 scale Muscle Cars, had the engines increased in size approx 10% in order to "look Better" in the kit.

Not sure how true this is, but it would explain some of the readily observable size differences in engine parts, between kits.

It may be more than just 1/25 vs 1/24 in some cases.

That may be the case but that is why I went with 124 over 125 cuz just a little bit bigger and I mean it is such a small amount is always going to look a little bit better than just a little bit smaller there are two different ways to look at the difference in sizes you could say it's 4% bigger and this is true but it's only 0.17% different from real scale. I don't know why this is such a big deal if you do the actual math on the difference it is very minute a lot less than 10%

[George Bojaciuk]

On 12/13/2024 at 9:41 AM, George Bojaciuk said:

Not to hijack this thread but I wrote about "Size Matters" in one of my columns. Kits were usually close but not exact. My pic shows an original MPC Camaro that has be rebuilt about 5 times! Next to it is a Nova with a 1:24th engine. You tell me!

Just an FYI… I baited everyone! The Nova engine is 1:25th. Shows you that the kit makers were not even close back in the glory days!  T3D stuff fits just as nice! I just got some Pontiac engines and plan on a column write up. It will go in my Formula 400.

My bottom line is don’t overthink things. Support the guys that sweat the details. 

Edited December 28, 2024 by George Bojaciuk