Hydrogen powered truck

[Scott8950]

 

[Dave Van]

Toyota is building a 18 wheeler hydrogen powered truck using a KW cab/chassis. Toyota is betting it all on hydrogen and I think they are right.  

[Scott8950]

2 hours ago, Dave Van said:

Toyota is building a 18 wheeler hydrogen powered truck using a KW cab/chassis. Toyota is betting it all on hydrogen and I think they are right.  

I agree

[iamsuperdan]

BMW have been developing hydrogen fuel cell tech for years. Nothing on the market yet, but it's coming.

And Toyota have had the Mirai on the market for a few years now.

 

I think it's a good solution, and would like to see it making its way into pickups, especially 3/4 ton and 1 ton, because electric currently won't work well in those applications.

 

[Scott8950]

1 hour ago, iamsuperdan said:

BMW have been developing hydrogen fuel cell tech for years. Nothing on the market yet, but it's coming.

And Toyota have had the Mirai on the market for a few years now.

 

I think it's a good solution, and would like to see it making its way into pickups, especially 3/4 ton and 1 ton, because electric currently won't work well in those applications.

 

I think it seems to be a better solution because it seems like the electric car has been pushed a little too fast and we're not ready for that yet.

I read this article yesterday and it seems more and more people are having similar complaints. 

https://www.foxbusiness.com/technology/man-forced-ditch-115k-ford-ev-truck-family-road-trip-chicago-biggest-scam-modern-times.amp

 

THIS IS NOT TO START ANY KIND OF DEBATE OVER EV OR HYDROGEN VEHICLES.  

[iamsuperdan]

15 minutes ago, Scott8950 said:

 

I read this article yesterday and it seems more and more people are having similar complaints. 

https://www.foxbusiness.com/technology/man-forced-ditch-115k-ford-ev-truck-family-road-trip-chicago-biggest-scam-modern-times.amp

 

 

That's like the 6th article I've seen on this guy.

Yes, he's had some charging issues, but he also went and bought a vehicle without doing any research into a new vehicle. Spent $10k on two chargers, plus $6k to upgrade his home's wiring? Man, the electricians saw this guy coming for sure. I installed my Level 2 charger for under $2k CDN, including upgrading the power supply to the house. 

And he complains about his charge time? Two hours to get from 10% to 90%? When an EV car does it in half the time? Well duh. It's like going from a car with a 70L gas tank to a truck with a 140L gas tank. A larger tank is going to take longer to fill.

 

 

[Scott8950]

5 minutes ago, iamsuperdan said:

 

That's like the 6th article I've seen on this guy.

Yes, he's had some charging issues, but he also went and bought a vehicle without doing any research into a new vehicle. Spent $10k on two chargers, plus $6k to upgrade his home's wiring? Man, the electricians saw this guy coming for sure. I installed my Level 2 charger for under $2k CDN, including upgrading the power supply to the house. 

And he complains about his charge time? Two hours to get from 10% to 90%? When an EV car does it in half the time? Well duh. It's like going from a car with a 70L gas tank to a truck with a 140L gas tank. A larger tank is going to take longer to fill.

 

 

I've never owned one so i wasn't sure about charge times or pricing. 

Hopefully hydrogen vehicles are not too far away, that would be a nice alternative to evs for the people who'd rather have a combustion engine. 

Edited August 14, 2023 by Scott8950

[Dpate]

Electric cars.  Ah what a scam. 

[peteski]

24 minutes ago, Dpate said:

Electric cars.  Ah what a scam. 

They sure are!  How silly of them  to bring back a century-old technology!  It's just a fad.   

 

Edited August 18, 2023 by peteski

[Dave Van]

Those are really cool cars for the era......and the fact so many are still around is interesting. Maybe a better electric car then then those made today. 

[iamsuperdan]

On 8/14/2023 at 9:58 AM, Scott8950 said:

I've never owned one so i wasn't sure about charge times or pricing. 

Hopefully hydrogen vehicles are not too far away, that would be a nice alternative to evs for the people who'd rather have a combustion engine. 

I think the only downside to hydrogen right now is that there is almost zero infrastructure to support it. It will come in time, but right now? Nope.

In the province of Alberta, where I live, our first hydrogen station is due to open...in 2025.

As usual, Europe is further ahead with this sort of thing.

 

I wonder how hard it would be to retrofit an older car to run on hydrogen. Could it be done?

Remember when propane conversions were big business? Convert your gas car or truck to propane. 

If our gas cars and trucks could be converted to hydrogen, that would be huge.

 

 

[MeatMan]

GM was into hydrogen over a decade ago and were very far along but then bailed for some reason.
I do think all-electric cars will be the norm someday, but in the meantime I think hybrids are the way to go as a bridge, and some auto companies see that, read Toyota.
Right now the investments are in all-electrics, and that ain't changing until they realize the earth doesn't have the raw materials to support it globally.

[1930fordpickup]

12 hours ago, MeatMan said:

GM was into hydrogen over a decade ago and were very far along but then bailed for some reason.
I do think all-electric cars will be the norm someday, but in the meantime I think hybrids are the way to go as a bridge, and some auto companies see that, read Toyota.
Right now the investments are in all-electrics, and that ain't changing until they realize the earth doesn't have the raw materials to support it globally.

As far as Electric cars go now I don't see it working. They want us here in Michigan to have a Meter to shut down things in our house at peak times because the grid is already overloaded with few Electric cars charging now. Another 10 to 15% more charging and we will be in the dark until Midnight. 

[sfhess]

Back in the 70s there was a guy in Utah named Roger Billings who did a lot of work converting cars to run on hydrogen.  He had a Honda Accord that ran quite well using hydrogen as a fuel.  I wonder what happened to his work.

[Force]

It takes 50-55 KWh to produce 1 kilogram of hydrogen from water with electrolysis wich is the only environmentally safe process, and you will get 33 KWh energy back from that kilogram of hydrogen when you use it, so the efficiency is about 60-70% or even less, but you only get water vapour after you use it as it goes back to water.
I don't know the number if you burn the hydrogen gas in a combustion engine but I would think it's even lower.
Most of the hydrogen we use today is made from natural gas with steam methane reforming and you get carbon dioxide as a bi-product, and that's what we want to avoid, therefore the electrolysis process is a lot better as you don't get any carbon dioxide out of the process, and that's if the electricity is made fossil free of course, not from oil, coal or anything else that produces CO2 when burned.
So in conclution, we need a more energy efficient way to produce hydrogen if this would work in large scale and there are a lot of other obstacles to get over like containing and transporting the hydrogen gas safely.

[peteski]

13 hours ago, Force said:

It takes 50-55 KWh to produce 1 kilogram of hydrogen from water with electrolysis wich is the only environmentally safe process, and you will get 33 KWh energy back from that kilogram of hydrogen when you use it, so the efficiency is about 60-70% or even less, but you only get water vapour after you use it as it goes back to water.

If the hydrolysis used 100% solar, wind, or hydro energy, that would make the production "clean".

Electric cars are more efficient, but then the source of electricity is questionable and what I mentioned above applies here too.

[stitchdup]

On 8/18/2023 at 4:24 AM, Dave Van said:

Those are really cool cars for the era......and the fact so many are still around is interesting. Maybe a better electric car then then those made today. 

could be a cool tesla powered rod, not sure where to hide the batteries though

[stitchdup]

Most of the infrastructure for hydrogen already exists. its not difficult to convert oil storage to hydrogen storage. the problem lies with detecting leaks as with oil theres something to see while hydrogen needs to be in a huge quantity to be detected as a leak. there has been a hydrogen fuel station and delivery vans and trucks running locally for a few years now and they seem to be doing away fine. but orkney has emec (european marine energy college) based here and they are heavily invested in hydrogen. personally i think we have some choices to make regarding hydrogen, and some will shock green groups because i think we need to sacrifice some wilderness to wind and solar power in order to generate electricity to make hydrogen, then use that hydrogen for power generating and fuel. Use the existing oil infrastrucrure and save a lot of money, and also use up already poluted land that will cost billions to clean up. hydrogen is also a better option for farmers as an ev tractor will never be as good as something you can fill in 5 mins, and still be sure your existing equipment work. all the ev tractors they've shown have also been using ev equipment which along with an extra cost on our food prices means a much heavier drain on our electricity supplies. some heavy investment in detecting hydrogen leaks and we'll soon see it pushed as the miracle to save our energy supplies from the scourge of evs