Revell 2022 Corvette Stingray C8 Z5

[Sport Suburban]

On 8/5/2024 at 12:12 PM, Luc Janssens said:

Decal sheet of the euro boxing

 

 

Here is my scan of the US sheet.

[stavanzer]

It's like the sheets are for two different cars.

[Luc Janssens]

2 hours ago, Sport Suburban said:

Here is my scan of the US sheet.

Cool! you get license plates for Australia and Japan too!

[mrm]

15 hours ago, Sport Suburban said:

Here is my scan of the US sheet.

Yeah. Your point is...? And it is missing a lot, while it has spares galore for no reason. And it is a similar situation on the Euro decals. They have quite few pieces completely missing from this sheet, but no options or spares at all. Which means that it has nothing to do with costs or money. If anything, developing two completely different decal sheets is more expensive. 

[mrm]

15 hours ago, stavanzer said:

It's like the sheets are for two different cars.

No. They are for the same car. It even is printed on the sheet that it is for a C8 Coupe. 

[Sport Suburban]

Just now, mrm said:

Yeah. Your point is...? And it is missing a lot, while it has spares galore for no reason. And it is a similar situation on the Euro decals. They have quite few pieces completely missing from this sheet, but no options or spares at all. Which means that it has nothing to do with costs or money. If anything, developing two completely different decal sheets is more expensive. 

I wasn't making a point, just showing the two side by side. It is being discussed in the thread. I also noticed the euro box and decals have no mention of Z51 option. So I'm wondering what is in the Z51 option as I don't know.

[mrm]

1 minute ago, Sport Suburban said:

I wasn't making a point, just showing the two side by side. It is being discussed in the thread. I also noticed the euro box and decals have no mention of Z51 option. So I'm wondering what is in the Z51 option as I don't know.

I noticed the Z51 option also. But that has nothing to do with the issue. All of the C8 Vettes, no matter their trim level, have the same controls on the center console. Same buttons in the same location. Not just there, but on the doors etc. They all have the same headlights and both kits come with the same seats. If you look at your sheet, there are no decals for the headlights, no decals for the controls in the center console and no decals for the mesh portion of the clear part of the rear hood. Also no white decals with the yellow labels which we have all seen on cars, warning us about air bags. All of these are present on the Euro sheet. 

[stavanzer]

11 hours ago, mrm said:

No. They are for the same car. It even is printed on the sheet that it is for a C8 Coupe. 

I knew that, Mozzi.

I was making the point that Revell seemed to be treating them as two different cars. (or Kits)

[Luc Janssens]

2 hours ago, stavanzer said:

I knew that, Mozzi.

I was making the point that Revell seemed to be treating them as two different cars. (or Kits)

They are two different boxings, one for the European market, the other for the North American, albeit having decals for Japan and Down under.

Edited August 25, 2024 by Luc Janssens

[Jim B]

I've always wondered why Revell does this.  Doesn't make a lot of sense to me, but whatever.  I guess to make a "complete" decal set, European modelers need the US set & US/Canadian modelers need the European set.

[stavanzer]

6 hours ago, Luc Janssens said:

They are two different boxings, one for the European market, the other for the North American, albeit having decals for Japan and Down under.

I knew that too.

[mrm]

On 8/25/2024 at 3:23 AM, Luc Janssens said:

They are two different boxings, one for the European market, the other for the North American, albeit having decals for Japan and Down under.

So? I understand if in one boxing they include the floor mats and the carbon roof and in the other they include the stripes. Having different options for the license plates in two different markets also makes sense. But both sheets should have the essentials you need to complete the model, like the headlight decals, the headrest decals and the center console controls. And the last one is comprised of two decals that together are a quarter of the size of one of the four optional screens, which is an overkill. Essentially in the US kit you have enough decals for three kits, but none of them are complete, which is just dumb. 

[Zoom Zoom]

2 hours ago, mrm said:

So? I understand if in one boxing they include the floor mats and the carbon roof and in the other they include the stripes. Having different options for the license plates in two different markets also makes sense. But both sheets should have the essentials you need to complete the model, like the headlight decals, the headrest decals and the center console controls. And the last one is comprised of two decals that together are a quarter of the size of one of the four optional screens, which is an overkill. Essentially in the US kit you have enough decals for three kits, but none of them are complete, which is just dumb. 

I've long ago stopped trying to figure out issues like this with Revell. It's always "something" with them, it seems. I do think the decals for US-boxed issues are printed at a different facility than their Euro-boxed models. IIRC Revell USA only has two full-time employees. I'll be getting one of the US-boxed C8's one of these days. I've built 4 different AMT Craftsman kits in the past 16-18 mos. Great kits in general for cloned curbsides, they go together amazingly well. The decals however...what a disappointment. They give you multiple sets of exterior emblems/markings, the artwork is very well done. BUT...they don't bother to print a white or silver base layer underneath most of the emblems, unless said emblem has white as a part of the graphic. So if you've painted your model in any color other than white, silver, or pale yellow, they disappear when applied. It makes no sense whatsoever, unless I suppose to a bean-counter. I recently finished Revell's US boxed 007 Mach I; the Autolite decal for the battery has no white base under the red lettering, so it disappears applied to a black battery. The "OK" markings for the cylinder heads had no clear carrier film! Even though every number for every decal has the carrier film. Otherwise that entire sheet of decals was excellent; the ones mentioned will likely get updated for a second production run at some point. I understand that there might be slight issues with a first-run kit. But AMT seems like it is willfully cutting a step out of their emblem decals. It's like they think nobody will actually build the model, just collect it and look at the sheet but won't actually use the decals. At least this is the case on their '68 GTO, '65 GTO, and '65 Malibu SS all of which I have built, and I've built two of the '68 GTO's. Same issue in all of them over the last couple years.

I'm glad the next two builds I will tackle are Tamiya kits ?

[SteveG]

20 hours ago, Zoom Zoom said:

I've long ago stopped trying to figure out issues like this with Revell. It's always "something" with them, it seems. I do think the decals for US-boxed issues are printed at a different facility than their Euro-boxed models. IIRC Revell USA only has two full-time employees. I'll be getting one of the US-boxed C8's one of these days. I've built 4 different AMT Craftsman kits in the past 16-18 mos. Great kits in general for cloned curbsides, they go together amazingly well. The decals however...what a disappointment. They give you multiple sets of exterior emblems/markings, the artwork is very well done. BUT...they don't bother to print a white or silver base layer underneath most of the emblems, unless said emblem has white as a part of the graphic. So if you've painted your model in any color other than white, silver, or pale yellow, they disappear when applied. It makes no sense whatsoever, unless I suppose to a bean-counter. I recently finished Revell's US boxed 007 Mach I; the Autolite decal for the battery has no white base under the red lettering, so it disappears applied to a black battery. The "OK" markings for the cylinder heads had no clear carrier film! Even though every number for every decal has the carrier film. Otherwise that entire sheet of decals was excellent; the ones mentioned will likely get updated for a second production run at some point. I understand that there might be slight issues with a first-run kit. But AMT seems like it is willfully cutting a step out of their emblem decals. It's like they think nobody will actually build the model, just collect it and look at the sheet but won't actually use the decals. At least this is the case on their '68 GTO, '65 GTO, and '65 Malibu SS all of which I have built, and I've built two of the '68 GTO's. Same issue in all of them over the last couple years.

I'm glad the next two builds I will tackle are Tamiya kits ?

Apologies for the decal problems Bob.  It's not our bean counters or the artist that's causing the decal problems.  It's the factory subcontractors who print the decals altering the files and removing the white underlayment.  I have no idea why it keeps happening.  The print proofs will pass testing and then we find failures in mass production.  The ones we've caught we have replacement copies in stock with the proper underlayment you can get through customer service.  

-Steve 

[Zoom Zoom]

33 minutes ago, SteveG said:

Apologies for the decal problems Bob.  It's not our bean counters or the artist that's causing the decal problems.  It's the factory subcontractors who print the decals altering the files and removing the white underlayment.  I have no idea why it keeps happening.  The print proofs will pass testing and then we find failures in mass production.  The ones we've caught we have replacement copies in stock with the proper underlayment you can get through customer service.  

-Steve 

Oh wow, that's unfortunate to say the least! I'll reach out to customer service. Thanks for replying. Other than the decal issue the cloned Craftsman kits I've built have been really great kits to work with. 

[howsthat1959]

The convertible doesn't have the glass window in the engine hatch. It's solid because the top retracts on top of the engine. 

This kit has exterior details of the drop top but a glass rear window...

[howsthat1959]

Should also mention that the coupe rear deck opens up like a normal hatch.

Convertible top cover opens from the front to accept the top. The deck is in 2 pieces.

[dino246gt]

I wish that each kit had BOTH decal sheets!

[stavanzer]

4 hours ago, dino246gt said:

I wish that each kit had BOTH decal sheets!

This^^^^^^^^

[Radretireddad]

On 8/6/2024 at 8:42 AM, Stef said:

Agreed 128%. I am utterly baffled at the eclectic design of the C8 so much that it's not even a Corvette anymore. Truly a lesser son, of greater sires.

Me personally, it's a poor man's Revuelto. A sloppy, insecure, unfocussed, chaotic, disrespectful, paranoid design by committee.

And part of me wants to get one anyway, just so I can restyle it my way.

I couldn’t have said it better. I’m happy to find out I’m not the only one thinking this when I see one.

[DeanF]

On 8/6/2024 at 9:42 AM, Stef said:

Agreed 128%. I am utterly baffled at the eclectic design of the C8 so much that it's not even a Corvette anymore. Truly a lesser son, of greater sires.

Me personally, it's a poor man's Revuelto. A sloppy, insecure, unfocussed, chaotic, disrespectful, paranoid design by committee.

And part of me wants to get one anyway, just so I can restyle it my way.

Got a kit just to see if I could improve it. One real car that actually shares almost every design element with the C8 is the McLaren GT, yet with a simplified, refined look (IMHO).

Edited September 8, 2024 by DeanF

[Stef]

8 hours ago, DeanF said:

Got a kit just to see if I could improve it. One real car that actually shares almost every design element with the C8 is the McLaren GT, yet with a simplified, refined look (IMHO).

Looking forward to seeing what you do with it, Dean! A lotta dudes here are bursting with design and engineering concepts that rival the best of what the global auto makers have to offer!

And wow, you're right about the GT. Very nice. I'm no expert on McLarens, though I can see considerable DNA shared between the GT and Senna.

We Corvette aficionados will restyle the C8 to respect its past, while pushing it into the future. It will appeal to little boys, and big boys, alike, heh.

[DeanF]

In turn, I think the McLaren GT resembles the Corvette Indy concept car (if you squint), so maybe a mid-engine layout is going to result in similar designs. The C8 though, comes across as uptight, angry, and pinched, especially in the rear quarter panels (again, just my opinion). You are probably correct in that it's design by committee, and I think just a few tweaks could make a huge difference. 

[Richard Bartrop]

Personally, I think people worry way too much about "tradition"  The C2 Stingray didn't look at all like the C1 Corvette, and everyone was fine with that.  If it is a Corvette, then it automatically looks like one.

All the same, if they wee going to make the C8 look like anything, they should have gone with this:

 

[TransAmMike]

Love all 'Vette's, owned several, '71, '73, '87, '93.  Anyway, 

The prototype you show Richard, if was a production car, may have been the best looking 'Vette ever.  Just my opinion.