Kit Engine IDs Needed

[MeatMan]

Hey Gang!

I do a fairly good job of keeping kit engines together that I haven't used in a bin. I put them in a small bag and label them.
However I didn't label these two and have no idea what they are. Thanks.

[Fat Brian]

The first one might be the Cadillac engine from one of the AMT 49/50 Ford or Mercury kits.

[MeatMan]

36 minutes ago, Fat Brian said:

The first one might be the Cadillac engine from one of the AMT 49/50 Ford or Mercury kits.

It does resemble a Caddy engine. I've never had one of those kits but perhaps it was in another kit.

[Ace-Garageguy]

First one's definitely old Caddy, '49-'62. Nothing else has that water pump/crossover pipe configuration, but I don't know what kit it's from. 

 

There was an optional Caddy in the AMT '59 El Camino too.

Second one looks like an early Olds ('49-'63) at first glance because of the oil filler tube on the timing cover, but the valve cover bolts are wrong for that, and the water outlet isn't on the front cover either.

EDIT: Ex-port spacing is definitely NOT FORD (other than Y-block, and the oil filler is wrong for that).

Exhaust port spacing rules out Buick nailhead too, and it's definitely not BBC.

Valve covers look SBC, but the water pump and timing cover are totally wrong for that.

Not Mopar B or poly...

Air filter and cast-iron ex. manifolds mean it's a stock engine in something...

 

 

Edited July 18, 2024 by Ace-Garageguy

[MeatMan]

13 minutes ago, Ace-Garageguy said:

First one's definitely old Caddy. Nothing else has that water pump/crossover pipe configuration, but I don't know what kit it's from. 

 

There was an optional Caddy in the AMT '59 El Camino too.

Second one looks like an Olds at first glance because of the oil filler tube, but the number of valve cover bolts is wrong for that (the early Olds OHV V8 has 3 bolts on each valve cover rail).

 

 

Thanks Bill. At least there's a consensus on the Caddy engine. Doesn't matter where it came from anyway.

[Ace-Garageguy]

9 minutes ago, MeatMan said:

Thanks Bill. At least there's a consensus on the Caddy engine. Doesn't matter where it came from anyway.

Are you sure the timing cover with the oil filler tube goes with that other engine?

The more I look at it, the more it looks like it's a slightly different color.

If it wasn't for that, it could be a poorly-done smallblock Chevy.

[MeatMan]

8 minutes ago, Ace-Garageguy said:

Are you sure the timing cover with the oil filler tube goes with that other engine?

The more I look at it, the more it looks like it's a slightly different color.

If it wasn't for that, it could be a poorly-done smallblock Chevy.

I was looking at the exhaust manifolds and my first guess was SBC, but the front cover threw me off. Turns out you're right.
The pulley setup fits the water pump, but the water pump doesn't fit the front cover.
Mystery solved! Thanks.

[Keef]

2nd one looks like a small block Chevy by the exhaust manifolds and valve covers. Maybe the AMT 65 El Camino ?

Early 283 and 327 had the oil filler tube in the front like that.

Edited July 19, 2024 by Keef

[Mark]

I'm guessing that the SBC is an AMT Chevy Monza unit.  The timing cover with the oil filler looks like it is for the DeSoto mill in the AMT '53 Ford pickup.

The first engine is a Cadillac, from the AMT '49 Ford coupe.  AMT's Merc has a Chrysler B series engine as optional.

Edited July 19, 2024 by Mark
Spell check

[Ace-Garageguy]

6 minutes ago, Keef said:

Early 283 and 327 had the oil filler tube in the front like that.

Not really.

The oil filler on those Chevy engines doesn't come out of the timing cover. It goes through the intake manifold. Very different.

[Ace-Garageguy]

10 minutes ago, Mark said:

 ...The timing cover with the oil filler looks like it is for the DeSoto mill in the AMT '53 Ford pickup.

I knew I'd seen that thing before, but I just couldn't place it. Thanks. 

EDIT: I just checked and you are 100% correct...no surprise there.  

 

Edited July 19, 2024 by Ace-Garageguy

[MeatMan]

On 7/18/2024 at 9:22 PM, Mark said:

I'm guessing that the SBC is an AMT Chevy Monza unit.  The timing cover with the oil filler looks like it is for the DeSoto mill in the AMT '53 Ford pickup.

The first engine is a Cadillac, from the AMT '49 Ford coupe.  AMT's Merc has a Chrysler B series engine as optional.

Yes! I swapped out the Monza V8 for a Vega Cosworth engine (stalled build) which would explain where it came from. Thanks.