If you want to steal my work, do it at least in a smart way

[khier]

Today while I was browsing parts suitable for my upcoming Revell E-type convertible build, I came across a page selling the wire wheel I made three years ago for the same kit. The seller is so clever that he/she is selling my file on the same platform I offer mine. Furthermore, using the exact file name as mine. I allowed a couple of person to sell printed parts based on this file, but not the file itself, and on the condition of referring to me as a designer. Here are the links so everyone can can judge himself:

1- The stolen file:

https://cults3d.com/en/3d-model/various/jaguar-e-type-rims

 

2- Mine, the original file:
 

https://cults3d.com/en/3d-model/tool/1-24-jaguar-wire-wheel-for-revell-s-kit

[Can-Con]

Looks like you might have scared him off as when I went to the link it said "Unfortunately the creation you are looking for is gone…"

[Ace-Garageguy]

Hey man...it's WAY easier to use the results of somebody else's effort and skills than to put in the work to do it yourself. So what's the problem? Everything should belong to everybody.

(This is sarcasm, but it's actually the way some people really think.)

 

[rv1963]

Yep that sucks some people have no shame, your wire wheel looks really good, I have a 3d printer and a Revell jag may have to give it a try.

[Dave Van]

There is a seller on ebay that sells photo copies of many of my decals. SUPER heap copies w/o the white under lay. I complained to ebay, he altered the photo he used in auctions and ebay said it was his work now. I stopped selling on ebay. SOP in todays word sad to say. 

[Lownslow]

Cults is pretty effective at removing files because certain parameters can be looked up

[Fat Brian]

I used to build 3d models for games and people were bad about stealing stuff in that community too. And we were doing it for free.

[Bills72sj]

The same concept occurred when music went digital aka CDs. Once there is a digital file in the world, it can be shared by anybody without morals.

[RW033]

I did some searching on eBay a few days ago and was disgusted with not only the prices some people are asking, but they are files from other I recognize from cults reselling as their own 

[John M.]

Those who steal the ideas and work of other's like yours Walid do so out of greed so as to make a few bucks for themselves. Greed doesn't fly with me as well as others. 

[StevenGuthmiller]

Unfortunately, if your work isn’t protected in any way, it’s going to be fair game.

I don’t know why anybody would be surprised.

There have been thieves and pirates since the dawn of humanity.

You can complain, but it unfortunately isn’t going to get you anywhere.

 

 

 

Steve

[Ace-Garageguy]

40 minutes ago, StevenGuthmiller said:

Unfortunately, if your work isn’t protected in any way, it’s going to be fair game.

And unfortunately, copyright and other "protections" under law really aren't worth the paper they're printed on whan small-fry have their work stolen.

There are no copyright or patent police, and it's necessary for the entity whose work is infringed or stolen to file the court cases prosecuting infringement, often well beyond the financial means of small players.

Obviously somebody like Ford or CocaCola has the financial resources to protect their work, but little guys usually don't.

It's worth going through the motions to get copyrights, trademarks, and patents just so you can warn potential infringers that there are "protections" in place, but unless you have deep pockets, all these protections do is remind honest people to stay honest.

 

[khier]

On 9/20/2024 at 4:34 PM, Can-Con said:

Looks like you might have scared him off as when I went to the link it said "Unfortunately the creation you are looking for is gone…"

Yes. The site administrator removed it upon my report. 

[khier]

On 9/20/2024 at 4:43 PM, Ace-Garageguy said:

Hey man...it's WAY easier to use the results of somebody else's effort and skills than to put in the work to do it yourself. So what's the problem? Everything should belong to everybody.

(This is sarcasm, but it's actually the way some people really think.)

 

I wouldn't mind if he acknowledged me as a designer and didn't sell it.

[khier]

On 9/22/2024 at 3:53 AM, StevenGuthmiller said:

Unfortunately, if your work isn’t protected in any way, it’s going to be fair game.

I don’t know why anybody would be surprised.

There have been thieves and pirates since the dawn of humanity.

You can complain, but it unfortunately isn’t going to get you anywhere.

 

 

 

Steve

I am not surprised because someone stole my work. I am surprised because he offered it at the very same platform where he stole it, and did not even try to rename file.

[khier]

On 9/20/2024 at 5:36 PM, Dave Van said:

There is a seller on ebay that sells photo copies of many of my decals. SUPER heap copies w/o the white under lay. I complained to ebay, he altered the photo he used in auctions and ebay said it was his work now. I stopped selling on ebay. SOP in todays word sad to say. 

Can you name him/her, or post the link to the copy of your decals? I mean as a warning for others.

[khier]

On 9/20/2024 at 5:14 PM, rv1963 said:

Yep that sucks some people have no shame, your wire wheel looks really good, I have a 3d printer and a Revell jag may have to give it a try.

Let me know if you experience difficulties. I shall be glad to assist. Here is a link to a YouTube video showing them (not my video). Look at 10:24 for the wheels:
 

 

[Bugatti Fan]

Problem is those fraudsters who copy and sell on anyone else's work know full well that in most cases they can simply get away with it. To use the law against them is too prohibitive cost wise for 'small fry' for want of a better description.

The only way to get back is by naming and shaming to act as a deterrent to would be buyers of rip offs being sucked into buying thinking that what they are buying is legitimate.

Trouble is by allowing a 3D file to be used it is wide open to such activity.

Complaining to EBay and other such organisations is probably just flogging a dead horse.

Edited September 25, 2024 by Bugatti Fan

[Ace-Garageguy]

4 hours ago, Bugatti Fan said:

...Complaining to EBay and other such organisations is probably just flogging a dead horse.

Not to put too fine a point on it, but eBay's management is either 1) grossly incompetent, or 2) they just don't care.

I've lodged a couple of complaints in the past where obviously bogus horrible-quality knockoff garbage was being auctioned as genuine.

The response was deafening silence...other than an automated bla bla bla response.

No action was ever taken against the lying sellers.

[StevenGuthmiller]

1 hour ago, Ace-Garageguy said:

Not to put too fine a point on it, but eBay's management is either 1) grossly incompetent, or 2) they just don't care.

I've lodged a couple of complaints in the past where obviously bogus horrible-quality knockoff garbage was being auctioned as genuine.

The response was deafening silence...other than an automated bla bla bla response.

No action was ever taken against the lying sellers.

In all honesty, it's not their job to be police men.

They're a selling and auction site.

Unless something they're selling is obviously or completely illegal, they're not going to waste time and resources trying to make sure that every item that goes through their system is a legitimate or genuine article.

I've bought articles that were obvious knock offs through eBay, (I bought a very nice NFL jersey knock off from China a few years ago, that was every bit as nice as a domestic one for a third of the price) but I was completely aware of that fact.

If you consider how many items come through their system on a daily basis, it would be a near impossibility to monitor who or where it comes from, and whether or not it's genuine or not, especially when it comes to something as inconsequential as a model part.

Whether it's fair or not, it all boils down to the old adage, "buyer beware".

We can't expect anyone else to do that work for us.

 

 

 

Steve

[Bugatti Fan]

If anyone buys knock off stuff knowingly then gradually the genuine originators go out of business.

[StevenGuthmiller]

2 hours ago, Bugatti Fan said:

If anyone buys knock off stuff knowingly then gradually the genuine originators go out of business.

It's a cut throat world, but there we are.

 

 

 

Steve

[Bugatti Fan]

No comment !

[The Junkman]

On 9/20/2024 at 8:36 AM, Dave Van said:

There is a seller on ebay that sells photo copies of many of my decals. SUPER heap copies w/o the white under lay. I complained to ebay, he altered the photo he used in auctions and ebay said it was his work now. I stopped selling on ebay. SOP in todays word sad to say. 

Likely you're talking about  a seller from Virginia who also sells under his wife's name.  He has shamelessly ripped off Fred Cady for years, among others.  I hate stuff like that.

[Dave Van]

2 minutes ago, The Junkman said:

Likely you're talking about  a seller from Virginia who also sells under his wife's name.  He has shamelessly ripped off Fred Cady for years, among others.  I hate stuff like that.

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