Biggu Posted January 2 Author Posted January 2 Ok…… so when I built the last Pete, I changed out the kit engine for a fabulous 3d version I got from Spain. As the engine on that build was the same engine a Detroit 60 series BUT much more detailed than the kit 60 Series, it made for an interesting build. So not wanting to throw anything away, I kept the kit engine for an other engine exchange. I have built SO many Cummins engines over the years, and the Western Star comes with a Cummins, I thought it was a good swap for a change….. so this truck will have a Detroit 60 instead of the Cummins…… seems as though it will drop right in and look ok. A pic of a slight mock up just for initial inspection…. So I will try a little extra detailing as I think the Italeri engines are painfully lacking details and the molded on bits makes me shake my head. But never the less its what I have and I’m not keen on spending another $110 on another 3d Detroit. But some of this hobby does come down to economics and it is modelling not assembling. 😉 Thats my story and the general plan for now, just trying to change things up a little bit ….. there is one mod I’m going to do and that is cut the oil pan and turn it around so the sump is at the back and that would give more clearance for the f/a. As Ron mentioned when I was building my Pete. Didn't do it on that one, but will on this one. …… 3
ShakyCraftsman Posted January 2 Posted January 2 57 minutes ago, Biggu said: Ok…… so when I built the last Pete, I changed out the kit engine for a fabulous 3d version I got from Spain. As the engine on that build was the same engine a Detroit 60 series BUT much more detailed than the kit 60 Series, it made for an interesting build. So not wanting to throw anything away, I kept the kit engine for an other engine exchange. I have built SO many Cummins engines over the years, and the Western Star comes with a Cummins, I thought it was a good swap for a change….. so this truck will have a Detroit 60 instead of the Cummins…… seems as though it will drop right in and look ok. A pic of a slight mock up just for initial inspection…. So I will try a little extra detailing as I think the Italeri engines are painfully lacking details and the molded on bits makes me shake my head. But never the less its what I have and I’m not keen on spending another $110 on another 3d Detroit. But some of this hobby does come down to economics and it is modelling not assembling. 😉 Thats my story and the general plan for now, just trying to change things up a little bit ….. there is one mod I’m going to do and that is cut the oil pan and turn it around so the sump is at the back and that would give more clearance for the f/a. As Ron mentioned when I was building my Pete. Didn't do it on that one, but will on this one. …… See, I told you it would fit. Now it just needs some detail wiring, psint and a little weathering and it will look fantastic. 😁😁😁😁😏😉 Ron G 1 1
Scott Eriksen Posted January 2 Posted January 2 Front sump would be in a cabover if memory serves me correctly 1
ShakyCraftsman Posted January 2 Posted January 2 2 minutes ago, Scott Eriksen said: Front sump would be in a cabover if memory serves me correctly Or set-back axle. Ron G 2
Scott Eriksen Posted January 2 Posted January 2 1 hour ago, Biggu said: Ok…… so when I built the last Pete, I changed out the kit engine for a fabulous 3d version I got from Spain. As the engine on that build was the same engine a Detroit 60 series BUT much more detailed than the kit 60 Series, it made for an interesting build. So not wanting to throw anything away, I kept the kit engine for an other engine exchange. I have built SO many Cummins engines over the years, and the Western Star comes with a Cummins, I thought it was a good swap for a change….. so this truck will have a Detroit 60 instead of the Cummins…… seems as though it will drop right in and look ok. A pic of a slight mock up just for initial inspection…. So I will try a little extra detailing as I think the Italeri engines are painfully lacking details and the molded on bits makes me shake my head. But never the less its what I have and I’m not keen on spending another $110 on another 3d Detroit. But some of this hobby does come down to economics and it is modelling not assembling. 😉 Thats my story and the general plan for now, just trying to change things up a little bit ….. there is one mod I’m going to do and that is cut the oil pan and turn it around so the sump is at the back and that would give more clearance for the f/a. As Ron mentioned when I was building my Pete. Didn't do it on that one, but will on this one. …… That's not that god awful bad,,,the MP8 for the wrecker has a lot of molded in stuff too ...just gotta use some artistic license with the paint brush 😉 1
Scott Eriksen Posted January 2 Posted January 2 1 minute ago, ShakyCraftsman said: Or set-back axle. Ron G yep 1
Biggu Posted January 2 Author Posted January 2 Just now, Scott Eriksen said: Front sump would be in a cabover if memory serves me correctly Yeah , you're probably right, but on the 3d engine the heavy mounting channels had the sump forward so I went with that as I didn’t want to mess it up. But even the instructions on the Pete 378 shows the sump forward …..🤔🤔🤔 so there was some evidence as that was the direction BUT I have seen them both ways so no harm no foul 1
Biggu Posted January 2 Author Posted January 2 2 minutes ago, Scott Eriksen said: That's not that god awful bad,,,the MP8 for the wrecker has a lot of molded in stuff too ...just gotta use some artistic license with the paint brush 😉 You hit the nail on the head , Scott, artistic license is always something to fall back on for sure. A little wire here and there and the odd fitting helps too , I hope to make this look fairly ‘busy’ …. All suggestions I will happily take. …. 1
ShakyCraftsman Posted January 2 Posted January 2 2 minutes ago, Biggu said: Yeah , you're probably right, but on the 3d engine the heavy mounting channels had the sump forward so I went with that as I didn’t want to mess it up. But even the instructions on the Pete 378 shows the sump forward …..🤔🤔🤔 so there was some evidence as that was the direction BUT I have seen them both ways so no harm no foul Hey Jeff Was that because Italeri came out with the 377 first, which is a set-back axle truck, and they just carried it over into the 378 kits🤔🤔🤔 Ron G 2
Biggu Posted January 2 Author Posted January 2 Sure could be, Ron, but like some one once said......" Instructions are just some one else's opinion" ................ so to me it is either way, especially if it is like that in the real world, I've changed oil on both, so who really knows if there is a hard and fast rule..... I like Scott's term of 'artistic license', that leaves the door WIDE open for interpretation.... which is ALL good...it would be ultra boring if everything was the same.... if it were, wouldn't even be having this conversation... and that's a bonus ! 2
ShakyCraftsman Posted January 2 Posted January 2 Yeah, but it's not just that YOU want to do something different. If you had a front sump oil pan in a truck were it sits directly over the front axle, the sump part that is. If you hit a big pot hole at speed you would shove the front axle through the oil pan and bye bye engine! And I don't know any trucker that can afford a new engine at what they cost today, because someone put the oil pan on backwards. OUCH!!! You need a good 5" to 6" of clearance from the oil pan and the front axle, for suspension travel. Ron G 2
Biggu Posted January 2 Author Posted January 2 (edited) 3 hours ago, ShakyCraftsman said: Yeah, but it's not just that YOU want to do something different. If you had a front sump oil pan in a truck were it sits directly over the front axle, the sump part that is. If you hit a big pot hole at speed you would shove the front axle through the oil pan and bye bye engine! And I don't know any trucker that can afford a new engine at what they cost today, because someone put the oil pan on backwards. OUCH!!! You need a good 5" to 6" of clearance from the oil pan and the front axle, for suspension travel. Ron Edited January 3 by Biggu Delete 1 1
Biggu Posted January 9 Author Posted January 9 I got my latest order from 3d Concepts yesterday….. and wow, real nice stuff….. I ordered Two suspension packages, some grab hooks as well as some strap tie down plates. Most of which will be used for more builds, but for now, I plan on changing out the box stock air bag suspension for the 3d Concepts Hendrickson HN heavy duty suspension .. it comes in 5 pieces , the frame bracket, the walking beam and 3 ‘rubber’ blocks. I think this set will really change the look of my truck. I had to make rear end hanger brackets and I ‘roughed’ them out on some .020 sheet. My plan is to fasten the brackets to the suspension then fit it all to the truck frame then adjust hangers and add the drivers then clean up the hangers and file off what I don’t need. I ‘think’ I will go with this suspension but looking at the other one I bought from 3d , the Hendrickson HR/RS may be a contender as well … if you guys are interested I can show that one to you as well as the grab hooks and strap hangers…here are a few pics of this really nice set 3
BK9300 Posted January 9 Posted January 9 Good idea! That company does make good parts - I just got an order from them, too and looks like good quality. 2
ShakyCraftsman Posted January 9 Posted January 9 3 minutes ago, BK9300 said: Good idea! That company does make good parts - I just got an order from them, too and looks like good quality. Yupp, they are first rate. Ron G 3
Biggu Posted January 9 Author Posted January 9 Just a small ‘mock up’ of the engine change. Looks like it will work quite well. I’m fairly happy with this 4
ShakyCraftsman Posted January 9 Posted January 9 2 minutes ago, Biggu said: Just a small ‘mock up’ of the engine change. Looks like it will work quite well. I’m fairly happy with this WOW! Nice job buddy. Engine looks great. I told you it would fit.😁 Ron G 1
Biggu Posted January 10 Author Posted January 10 22 minutes ago, ShakyCraftsman said: WOW! Nice job buddy. Engine looks great. I told you it would fit.😁 Ron G You did. A few slight mods but nothing crazy. So the plan is to work back from the transmission to the rear ends for suspension placement ….. as we slowly progress 1
BK9300 Posted January 10 Posted January 10 50 minutes ago, Biggu said: Just a small ‘mock up’ of the engine change. Looks like it will work quite well. I’m fairly happy with this Engine looks good, Jeff and I noticed your posable steering - did you modify the kit linkages? 1
Biggu Posted January 10 Author Posted January 10 1 minute ago, BK9300 said: Engine looks good, Jeff and I noticed your posable steering - did you modify the kit linkages? Not really. They are posable and actually supposed to be ‘workable’ to which they are but because I may want to pose them and maybe change the pose, I make them workable but I don’t ‘swage’ the pins with a ‘hot screw driver’🙄as suggested. I pinch out discs and use them instead. That way the little pis are useable. If I ‘heat swaged’ I would probably have a glob of plastic on my bench. 🤭😉 2 1
TrucksMT Posted January 10 Posted January 10 Engine and all looks great so far Jeff! I'm following too sir. 1
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