Stynylrez Primers and winter

[Kromolly]

I'm interested in doing more work with acrylics.  I've read a lot of positive feedback on Stynylrez primers.  I like that they are made in USA by Badger, and the price is quite reasonable.  I was about to pull the trigger when I read the warning that ordering at a time when the product may be exposed to sub freezing temperatures could damage it, and the risk falls on the buyer.  Well drats, I'm in North Dakota and its dead of winter.  Anyone had some show up not usable due to cold temperatures?

[peteski]

More and more people are switching to water-based acrylic coatings due to their lower odor and toxicity over standard solvent-based coatings.

All water-based paints and other compounds (like wood putty or spackling compound) will have "protect from freezing" warning somewhere on their labels because . . . they are water based, and water freezes.  Once the water freezes then thaws, that affects the chemical composition of the paint, making it unusable.

In your situation I would recommend buying in warmer months and applying it in temperatures above freezing.

[Kromolly]

Thanks Peter.  I was curious whether anyone has actually experienced  a damaged product due to freezing in shipping.  And yes, all my paint work is done indoors at room temperature in my vented paint booth.  Obviously acrylics are water based and susceptible to freezing so it's a risk if it sits on a truck or elsewhere not climate controlled. Winter is my time for the hobby, no time in the warmer months.  I may just roll the dice and buy a small qty and see if I luck out.  I'd like to try it on a project or two.

[peteski]

I still mostly use the old-school stinky paints, but I do some painting using water-based acrylics.  I have never actually tried to test the "protect from freezing" warning. If you want to try, just got to any hobby/craft store and pick up some inexpensive craft paints.  Those are water-based acrylics enamels. Then give them the freeze-test.

[Kromolly]

I'm the same, pretty much Model Master (as long as my stash lasts), and Duplicolor, plus some 2k primer.  But I'm very interested in the world of acrylics.  I pulled the trigger so we'll see if it survives shipping in cold weather.

[peter31a]

Maple Leaf Airbrushing Supplies here in Canada has this on their website about shipping water based paints in winter.

WINTER SHIPPING:

Winter Shipping Advisory: Protecting Your Water-Based Paints

Water-based paints are highly sensitive to freezing temperatures and do not tolerate the freeze/thaw cycle. Freezing can damage the paint’s consistency, rendering it unusable. Some pigments/paints are more sensitive to cold then others. If your paint does freeze during transit

To ensure your paints arrive in optimal condition during cold weather, we strongly recommend taking the following precautions - There are no guarantees or refunds for frozen paint. 

1. Purchase a Heat Pack: Heat packs can maintain a consistent temperature inside the shipping package, protecting the paints from freezing.
2. Select FEDEX 2-Day Shipping: Faster delivery minimizes the exposure of your paints to extreme temperatures.
3. Small Centres or PO Boxes - Canada Post Priority Only

By Placing an order for water-based products - you have agreed to the terms.

These steps significantly increase the likelihood that your water-based paints will arrive ready to use, even during the coldest months. For any additional questions about winter shipping or product care, feel free to contact our support team!

[Dave G.]

I had a bottle of bad Stynylrez black that I attributed to freezing. It separates, you never really get humpty back together again.

I had a bottle of Createx pearl blue. The company and myself trouble shot the fact I never could get it to spray right. One of the owners of Createx contacted me and stated they concluded it had gotten frozen someplace in it's travels. They upgraded me with not just the next larger new bottle, but also a new reducer they have out and some 4030 he knew I used from working with me in my testing ! The new bottle sprays awesome.

Stynylrez is an awesome primer. I highly recommend the little Badger power mixer for it. And use it lol ! They aren't expensive .  But as an acrylic primer goes, I'll put Stynylrez qualities in terms of sticking to plastic right up there with solvent based primers. And to me, other acrylic primers don't match it.  But don't put hot lacquers on top of it. It won't really craze it or lift it but it will swell sand scratches in places.

So, if you have your acrylic colors you want to work with, or can get them locally, and you can get your hands on Vallejo primer ?  That will work if you use it correctly. It's not Stynylrez, as Stynylrez is workable within an hour, is a primer sealer and is sand-able. Vallejo should sit 24 hours once sprayed, is not sand-able or a sealer, that I know of. But it will cover well, stick ok, if you give it that time. And accepts acrylic paints well. Not my first choice, but if you have limited choices it will work and get y ou started down the acrylic pathway. Just follow it's rules.

 

Edited January 1 by Dave G.

[Kromolly]

4 hours ago, peter31a said:

Maple Leaf Airbrushing Supplies here in Canada has this on their website about shipping water based paints in winter.

 

WINTER SHIPPING:

Winter Shipping Advisory: Protecting Your Water-Based Paints

Water-based paints are highly sensitive to freezing temperatures and do not tolerate the freeze/thaw cycle. Freezing can damage the paint’s consistency, rendering it unusable. Some pigments/paints are more sensitive to cold then others. If your paint does freeze during transit

To ensure your paints arrive in optimal condition during cold weather, we strongly recommend taking the following precautions - There are no guarantees or refunds for frozen paint. 

1. Purchase a Heat Pack: Heat packs can maintain a consistent temperature inside the shipping package, protecting the paints from freezing.
2. Select FEDEX 2-Day Shipping: Faster delivery minimizes the exposure of your paints to extreme temperatures.
3. Small Centres or PO Boxes - Canada Post Priority Only

By Placing an order for water-based products - you have agreed to the terms.

These steps significantly increase the likelihood that your water-based paints will arrive ready to use, even during the coldest months. For any additional questions about winter shipping or product care, feel free to contact our support team!

Thank you for the information, Peter.  That all makes good sense.  I didn't see any verbiage like that on the site I ordered from.  Fingers crossed, I'll see what I get.

[Kromolly]

2 hours ago, Dave G. said:

I had a bottle of bad Stynylrez black that I attributed to freezing. It separates, you never really get humpty back together again.

I had a bottle of Createx pearl blue. The company and myself trouble shot the fact I never could get it to spray right. One of the owners of Createx contacted me and stated they concluded it had gotten frozen someplace in it's travels. They upgraded me with not just the next larger new bottle, but also a new reducer they have out and some 4030 he knew I used from working with me in my testing ! The new bottle sprays awesome.

Stynylrez is an awesome primer. I highly recommend the little Badger power mixer for it. And use it lol ! They aren't expensive .  But as an acrylic primer goes, I'll put Stynylrez qualities in terms of sticking to plastic right up there with solvent based primers. And to me, other acrylic primers don't match it.  But don't put hot lacquers on top of it. It won't really craze it or lift it but it will swell sand scratches in places.

So, if you have your acrylic colors you want to work with, or can get them locally, and you can get your hands on Vallejo primer ?  That will work if you use it correctly. It's not Stynylrez, as Stynylrez is workable within an hour, is a primer sealer and is sand-able. Vallejo should sit 24 hours once sprayed, is not sand-able or a sealer, that I know of. But it will cover well, stick ok, if you give it that time. And accepts acrylic paints well. Not my first choice, but if you have limited choices it will work and get y ou started down the acrylic pathway. Just follow it's rules.

 

Great information, thank you Dave.  Yours were some of the posts I read that convinced me I wanted to try Stynylrez and Createx.  I don't have any great options for these locally.  I went ahead and placed an order... might end up being a mistake, we'll see.  This does make one wonder how the stores do it.  The same risks would apply to them when shipping stock during the winter.   

[Dave G.]

11 hours ago, Kromolly said:

Great information, thank you Dave.  Yours were some of the posts I read that convinced me I wanted to try Stynylrez and Createx.  I don't have any great options for these locally.  I went ahead and placed an order... might end up being a mistake, we'll see.  This does make one wonder how the stores do it.  The same risks would apply to them when shipping stock during the winter.   

Don't let any of it sit on your door step all day in January. Hopefully your order comes quickly and in good shape.  Just sayin.

By the way, both UPS and FedX cargo planes are heated. Questionable on some loading docks and the delivery trucks cargo area.

If it ships by Joe Blow's delivery and ends up in the belly of an airline plane, good luck.

 

 

Edited January 2 by Dave G.

[Kromolly]

42 minutes ago, Dave G. said:

Don't let any of it sit on your door step all day in January. Hopefully your order comes quickly and in good shape.  Just sayin.

By the way, both UPS and FedX cargo planes are heated. Questionable on some loading docks and the delivery trucks cargo area.

If it ships by Joe Blow's delivery and ends up in the belly of an airline plane, good luck.

 

 

It;s shipping USPS so it probably won't be on my doorstep until July.  All should be good.