GROUP 5 RACING BUILD OFF

[3men2s]

group 5 racing

let's relive the era when germany instead of building

an army to take over the world they were building

the baddest race cars in my opinion of all times.

Taking the legendary cars like the CAPRI,PORSCHE,BMW

and with the help of the TURBO and the rules of

group 5 "LIGHT and FAST" as long as you use the original

roof.

It was breathtaking watchin them buzz around flering

fire like dragons. All the ground effects make them

look like old samurais ready for battle.

those days are over, group five has change

JAPAN has keep it alive, but it can't compare

to the 70's AND EARLY 80'S

We can relive those days.

because we can, we are model builders

and I invite you to join me in this exiting

buildoff, I am sure you will enjoy it.

stop looking at those boxes and take them out

this february.

the build off starts in february and ends in april 30.

Rules, if you don't know what group 5 is

then you are to young to join

who's in???

In the group I am including the zakspped mustang

that race in the states in the imsa circuit in the early

80's. (THE GTP does not belong here)

ok...let me go and contract HANS and Klaus

and I see you in Nurgrin in April.

Edited January 22, 2010 by 3men2s

[3men2s]

I am in

this is my weapon.

[Pete J.]

Do we have to start in that time frame or just finish??

[3men2s]

Do we have to start in that time frame or just finish??

if you already started just post some progress that you have so far, just wanted to give time fotr us to get ready.

the most important is that who ever is in they have to do it before

april 30th. that's when this build is over.

thanks for participating.

Edited January 22, 2010 by 3men2s

[3men2s]

Not new, but they raced in Germany...

THIS 2 LOOK GREAT, R YOU PLANNING ON DOING ANOTHERONE???

[CAL]

I have a Group 5 something to build.

Hummm which one

Here is the list of qualifiers.

Group 5 cars

Cars homolgated by the FIA as Group 5 cars included the following:

1st Generation

Abarth 1000 TC

Alfa Romeo 1600 GTA

BMW 2002

Ford Escort Twin Cam

Mercedes Benz 300SEL

Porsche 911

2nd Generation

Porsche 917 (includes the Kurzheck (K), Langheck (LH), widebody shortnose 917/20)

Ferrari 512M/S

Lola T70

Ford GT40 Mk 1

3rd Generation

Ferrari 312P

Matra-Simca MS670

Mirage M6

Alfa Romeo T33TT/12

Renault Alpine A442

4th Generation

Porsche 935 (includes the 935-77, 935-78 known as the Moby-Dick and the customer Kremer K3 and K4 and the JLP variation)

BMW 320i

Toyota Celica Turbo A22 (1st generation)

Toyota Celica Turbo A45 (2nd generation)

Nissan Skyline RS Silhouette Formula

Nissan Nichira Impul Silvia

Mazda RX-7 SA22

Nissan Bluebird SSS Turbo

BMW 3.0 CSL

BMW M1

Ferrari 512BB

Lancia Stratos Turbo

Lancia Beta Montecarlo Turbo

Ferrari 512BB LM

Ford Capri Turbo

Ford Escort

Zakspeed Lotus Europa Gr.5

Greenwood Wide-Body Corvette

Yeah, the IMSA GTP cars were group C.

Edited January 22, 2010 by CAL

[Corvette.Jeff]

Of course you know im in with the miller time mustang Ill do my best to bring it back to life.

And this is what im starting with.

[CAL]

technically it's not a Group 5 car.

[3men2s]

technically it's not a Group 5 car.

i said

In the group I am including the zakspped mustang

that race in the states in the imsa circuit in the early

80's. (THE GTP does not belong here)

they are capris in mustang clothing

You are right tecnically is not

but physically it is...it will give

lots of friends insentive to build them at last.

thanks for the list

please keep us inform

and always your inputs r welcome

Edited January 23, 2010 by 3men2s

[vizio93]

Would this count ? It's a Porsche 935 Martini. It's already done, but I wuz wonderin' if it's like what your tryin to base your build off on.

[CAL]

i said

In the group I am including the zakspped mustang

that race in the states in the imsa circuit in the early

80's. (THE GTP does not belong here)

they are capris in mustang clothing

You are right tecnically is not

but physically it is...it will give

lots of friends insentive to build them at last.

thanks for the list

please keep us inform

and always your inputs r welcome

I know, wasn't making a big stink about it.

I wish you could get that Capri for resonable. I have a set of decals for it but the kit is ggoing for a jillion dollars.

Yes a 935 is a Group 5 car. Porsche made sense as alway 934 a group 4 936 a group 6. I do have a IMSA mustang what markings will fly with that. I was going to try the Zakespeed Capri ones on that maybe.

That was the car I was considering.

I also have plenty of 911s.

Maybe a 512BB

917?

Maybe I will finally have an excuse to do a Fuji GT40.

Err I got too many choices.

[CAL]

maybe we should allow GTPs since that is what Group 5 became (Group C)

Ahh maybe not that would give me over 100 kit choices. I am so confused.

Edited January 23, 2010 by CAL

[Corvette.Jeff]

cal, go for the Gt40

If you cant pick one out, you could always send them all to me and ill send you the one that i think you should build

[CAL]

cal, go for the Gt40

If you cant pick one out, you could always send them all to me and ill send you the one that i think you should build

I could do that.... what a sec...

GT40 I am not even sure why I have all those GT40 kits they are the enemy

[curt raitz]

I'm in...

I love Group 5 cars

now I've got a reason to finally build one of the Porsche 917's I've got hanging around

[weasel]

i'll play...

hmmmm, this will give me a reason to finish my Lancia Stratos Turbo rallye car...

[Junkman]

i'll play...

hmmmm, this will give me a reason to finish my Lancia Stratos Turbo rallye car...

Yay. Are Group 5 Rallye cars allowed? I mean, they were among the most insane formulas ever in motorsport.

[3men2s]

Would this count ? It's a Porsche 935 Martini. It's already done, but I wuz wonderin' if it's like what your tryin to base your build off on.

yes....welcome 935s

[CAL]

Yay. Are Group 5 Rallye cars allowed? I mean, they were among the most insane formulas ever in motorsport.

Actually it was Group B rally that were the "Too Fast To Race Cars".

Most of the Stratos Rally cars were non-turbo Group 4 cars.

The Group 5 Turbo car was built for close circuit endurance racing but failed misserably aginst the killer Porsche 935s.

There was a Group 5 Stratos Rally-Cross car, but it didn't compete in the WRC.

The Group B purpose built Lancia was a 037, and not a Stratos.

Edited January 24, 2010 by CAL

[Pete J.]

if you already started just post some progress that you have so far, just wanted to give time fotr us to get ready.

the most important is that who ever is in they have to do it before

april 30th. that's when this build is over.

thanks for participating.

Ok, sounds like fun. The chassis, interior, engine and suspension are done. The body is getting close, but there is still a lot of small details to get out of the way. The glass is driving me up the wall. The original Tamiya stuff has a seam right down the middle of the piece and can't be poished out. I am on my second set of glass at the moment. Here are the completed pieces as of now.

[curt raitz]

I will build...this one:

probably not get started til after the NNL West in late February thou, gotta a McLaren M8B to finish

should be fun...

[Nick F40]

Now this is my type of build off, my favorite cars.......

[3men2s]

This was a build I did a year ago, just wanted to share.

[3men2s]

1st Generation Group 5 Special Touring Cars" (1966 to 1969)

In 1966 the FIA introduced a number of new racing categories including one for highly modified touring cars, officially known as Group 5 Special Touring Cars. The regulations permitted vehicle modifications beyond those allowed in the concurrent Group 1 and Group 2 Touring Car categories [1]. Group 5 regulations were adopted for the British Touring Car Championship from 1966 [1] and for the European Touring Car Championship from 1968 [2]. The Special Touring Cars category was discontinued after the 1969 season.

2nd Generation Group 5 - Sports Cars (1970 to 1971)

Group 5 Porsche 917 competing in the 1970 International Championship for MakesFor the 1970 season, the FIA applied the Group 5 classification to the Sports Car class which had previously been known as Group 4 Sports Cars. The minimum production requirement remained at 25 and the engine capacity maximum at 5 litres as had applied in the superseded Group 4. Group 5 Sports Cars contested the FIAs International Championship for Makes in 1970 & 1971, alongside the 3 litre Group 6 Prototype Sports Cars.

During 1970 the FIA decided to replace the existing Group 5 Sports Car category when the rules expired at the end of the 1971 season, so the big 917s and 512s would have to be retired at the end of that year. Surprisingly, Ferrari decided to give up any official effort with the 512 in order to prepare for the new 1972 season regulations. But many 512s were still raced by private teams, most of them converted to M specification. As a result of the rule change, sports car racing popularity suffered and did not recover until the following decade, with the advent of Group C which incidentally were forced out of competition in favour of the 3.5 atmo engine formula, reminiscent of events nineteen years previous.

[edit] Background to the 5 Litre Sports Car category

In an effort to reduce the speeds generated at Le Mans and other fast circuits of the day by the unlimited capacity Group 6 Prototypes such as the 7 litre Fords, and to entice manufacturers of 3 litre Formula One engines into endurance racing, the Commission Sportive Internationale (then the independent competition arm of the FIA) announced that the new International Championship for Makes would be run for Group 6 Sports-Prototypes limited to 3 litre capacity for the four years from 1968 through 1971.

Well-aware that few manufacturers were ready to immediately take up the challenge, the CSI also allowed the participation of 5 litre Group 4 Sports Cars manufactured in quantities of at least 50 units. This targeted existing cars like the aging Ford GT40 and the newer Lola T70 coupe.

In April 1968, the CSI announced that, as there were still too few entries in the 3 litres Group 6 Prototype category, the minimal production figure to compete in the Group 4 Sport category of the International Championship of Makes would be reduced from 50 to 25 starting in 1969 through to the planned end of the rules in 1971. This was mainly to allow the homologation in Group 4 of cars such as the Ferrari 275 LM and the Lola T70 which had not been manufactured in sufficient quantities to qualify (unless, in the case of the Lola T70, the open Can-Am cars were counted as well).

Starting in July 1968, Porsche made a surprising and very expensive effort to take advantage of this rule. As they were rebuilding race cars with new chassis every race or two anyway, they decided to conceive, design and build 25 versions of a whole new car for the Sport category with one underlying goal: to win its first overall victory in the 24 Hours of Le Mans. In only ten months the Porsche 917 was developed, based upon the Porsche 908, with remarkable technology: Porsches first 12-cylinder engine, and many components made of titanium, magnesium and exotic alloys that had been developed for lightweight hillclimb racers. Other ways of weight reduction were rather simple, like a gear lever knob made of Balsa wood.

When Porsche was first visited by the CSI inspectors only three cars were completed, while 18 were being assembled and seven additional sets of parts were present. Porsche argued that if they assembled the cars they would then have to take them apart again to prepare the cars for racing. The inspectors refused the homologation and asked to see 25 assembled and working cars.

On April 20 Ferdinand Piëch displayed 25 917s parked in front of the Porsche factory to the CSI inspectors. Piëch even offered the opportunity to drive one of the cars, which was declined.

During June 1969, Enzo Ferrari sold half of his stock to FIAT, and used some of that money to do what Porsche did 6 months earlier with the 917, to build 25 cars powered by a 5 litre V12 in order to compete against them. With the financial help of Fiat, that risky investment was made, and surplus cars were intended to be sold to racing customers to compete for the 1970 season. Within 9 months Ferrari manufactured 25 512S cars.

Ferrari entries only consisted of the factory cars, tuned by SpA SEFAC and there were the private cars of Scuderia Filipinetti, N.A.R.T., Écurie Francorchamps, Scuderia Picchio Rosso, Gelo Racing Team and Escuderia Montjuich which not receive the same support from the factory. They were considered as field fillers, never as candidate for a win. At Porsche, however, JWA Gulf, KG Salzburg who were then replaced by Martini Racing for the following season, received all direct factory support and the privateers like AAW Shell Racing and David Piper Racing received a much better support than Ferrari's clients.

The 917 instability problem was resolved with a revised rear hatch, which was called 917K (Kurzheck). There was a long tail version known as the 917LH (Langheck). Towards the end of the 1970 season, Ferrari entered some races with a new version of the 512, the 512M which had a revised bodywork

3rd Generation Group 5 Sports Cars (1972 to 1975)

Group 5 Ferrari 312PB competing in the 1972 World Championship for MakesFor 1972, the FIA applied the Group 5 classification to what had previously been known as the Group 6 Prototype Sports Cars category. These cars, now officially Group 5 Sports Cars, were limited to a 3 litre engine capacity and were to be the main competitors in events counting towards the FIA's newly renamed World Championship for Makes from 1972 to 1975. Unlike the old Group 5, there was no minimum production requirement.

4th Generation Group 5 Special Production Cars (1976 to 1982)

A Lancia Beta Montecarlo contesting the 1980 World Championship for Makes in the Group 5 category.For the 1976 season the FIA introduced a new Group 5 "Special Production Car" category, allowing extensive modifications to production based vehicles which were homologated in FIA Groups 1 through 4. These cars would contest the World Championship for Makes series from 1976 through to 1980 and then the World Endurance Championship in 1981 & 1982. The FIA rules restricted the width of the car, therefore cars were built with standard body widths but wide mudguard extensions. The rules however did not mention headlight heights, therefore when Porsche originally were to enter the 935 with the production headlight, they read the rules and discovered the loophole, therefore they raced the 935 with the trademarked flat nose. The category was also mostly associated with the wide boxy wheel arches and extravagant body style.

The category would be banished after 1982 in favour of the Group B regulation, but did continued to compete in JSPC, IMSA GTX category and other national sports car racing championships for a few more years. The only non-circuit events that used Group 5 cars were in the Giro D'Italia Automobilistico rally.

In Japan, the wide arch boxy with extended front spoiler body style is still favoured amongst bōsōzoku car drivers, impersonaters of the former and fans of the body style, who usually build a more over exaggerated body style.

Edited January 25, 2010 by 3men2s

[3men2s]

more cool photos

http://www.imca-slotracing.com/2008-XMAS.htm