1911 Lozier race car

[GTMust]

This is the finished version of the 1911 Lozier driven to 2nd place in the 1911 (first) Indianapolis 500 race..... For detail of this race and the finishing controversy, go to the 1/32 scale progress build thread.

If you followed the build on this car, you'll know that I ran into a problem trying to figure out how the car looked in the actual race rather than the posed photo.

I finally decided to finish the car as the racing version, omitting the spare wheels, side tanks and headlights. (Check out the pictures on the build thread.) I've added the oil pump (hand pumped by the riding mechanic), the steering column and steering wheel and the hand activated brake cable. I would like to add more detail, but I have little information to guide me in that direction..... like guages, foot pedals, external lines and cables, etc.)

So here it is with a couple of my other early race cars that I've already posted before. (Mercer and Stutz.) Big monster, wasn't it?

Whoops... I missed the radiator cap and the gas filler caps..... why do I always forget something?? Maybe old age is creeping up!

Have more detail work to do on the Stutz and have to check and see what other kits I can turn into early racers...........

[sjordan2]

Just wonderful. Unique work in the world of model building. All I would suggest is a little weathering detail or dirt on the wheels, because the white spokes seem to make that need a little more obvious.

Edited July 6, 2011 by sjordan2

[funhouse1]

Cool! I'm fascinated by vintage Indy stuff...Is there a Miller kit or resin out there somewhere?

Edited July 6, 2011 by funhouse1

[GTMust]

Just wonderful. Unique work in the world of model building. All I would suggest is a little weathering detail or dirt on the wheels, because the white spokes seem to make that need a little more obvious.

I think I took the picture before the race started, while it was still nice and shiny..... hahaha.... but I get your point.

I don't know of any models of real early vintage Indy race cars currently available....... especially in 1/32 scale, but there probably are some early kits out there from the 1950's that I'm not aware of. If there are, I love to hear about them.

I do have an early "glue bomb" kit of car #23 "Bowes Seal Fast Special" driven to a win in the 1931 Indy by Louis Schneider which I believe was Miller powered.... but I still have a lot of research to do on this car before I start to restore it. It looks to be about 1/32 scale, but is very basic with no engine or interior, simplified suspension, and wire wheels that are way, way out of scale.

I'm surprised that no company ever modelled the Miller or the Marmon Wasp, as both were histically significant race cars.

[sjordan2]

I think I took the picture before the race started, while it was still nice and shiny..... hahaha.... but I get your point.

I don't know of any models of real early vintage Indy race cars currently available....... especially in 1/32 scale, but there probably are some early kits out there from the 1950's that I'm not aware of. If there are, I love to hear about them.

I do have an early "glue bomb" kit of car #23 "Bowes Seal Fast Special" driven to a win in the 1931 Indy by Louis Schneider which I believe was Miller powered.... but I still have a lot of research to do on this car before I start to restore it. It looks to be about 1/32 scale, but is very basic with no engine or interior, simplified suspension, and wire wheels that are way, way out of scale.

I'm surprised that no company ever modelled the Miller or the Marmon Wasp, as both were histically significant race cars.

This place offers a ton of Indy cars in 1/43, including those named above. They're available either built ($160) or in kit form ($45). Don't know anything else about them.

http://www.mamodels.com/mod-indy.html

[GTMust]

This place offers a ton of Indy cars in 1/43, including those named above. They're available either built ($160) or in kit form ($45). Don't know anything else about them.

http://www.mamodels.com/mod-indy.html

Neat info Skip....... A pity they don't produce these in 1/32 or 1/25 scale..... they are beautiful models.

BTW... I found out more about the glue bomb I have of the #23 Bowes Seal Fast Special". This model is apparently one of six Indy car racers put out by a company called Best in 1955. When they went out of business a couple of years later, Aurora purchased the rights and produced them until the mid sixties. They were listed as 1/25 scale but they're a mix of 1/25 and 1/32 scales, so somewhat innacurate.

I drafted a complete thread on these models, listing each one with pictures that I actually got from the Scale Auto Mag Forum (Pepper my tongue and slap my hand for mentioning that!) but when I hit the 'add reply' button, it disappeared into cyber space. Serves me right for checking out another web site and almost plaguerizing it!

Anyway, this is obviously a historical kit, yet I was able to order a complete set of new decals for it from http://www.indycals.net/ . Unfortunately when checking out what I have against the (other forum) description, I see I'm missing the seperate rubber tires and the wheel backs to hold them in place. They look about the same size as some Pyro 1/32 scale wheels and tires I have in my parts supply, so I may be OK.

Anyway if I do get around to restoring it I'll post all the relevant info and the rebuild on a seperate WIP thread.

[Harry P.]

Very cool! I agree w/Skip, the white car is too clean... maybe a black wash here and there?

How about that driver figure? Will he get painted and detailed? He looks right at home in the car, apart from the fact that he's all gray!

[LAone]

these are pretty cool. im gonna have to get me one of these kits. they look like fun to build.

[Tony T]

Neat...I'll have to take a closer look at the 1910 or 1911 Buick I have in my stash...

Would really look great with the driver and mechanic!

[GTMust]

Very cool! I agree w/Skip, the white car is too clean... maybe a black wash here and there?

How about that driver figure? Will he get painted and detailed? He looks right at home in the car, apart from the fact that he's all gray!

You guys are killing me.... it took me a whole bunch of time to get that white paint on the car without screwin' it up.......... and now you want me to cover it up? Is there no justice in the world?

And the driver figure..... I think he turned a "whiter shade of pale".... when he figured out how fast that monster would go!!!!

Seriously though... I use that driver figure in many of my builds to give it a sense of scale. Without him, you might not realise how big that car actually was. A little different to today's Indy cars, eh? He's sat in a whole bunch of different vintage cars in his time...... he's even driven a 1910 London Transport double decker bus! That's why I never painted him.... his clothing wouldn't suit all the time periods and vehicles he's exposed to!

Tony T: That Pyro/Life Like 1910(?) Buick kit is very difficult to find and pretty rare. I've been looking for one on Ebay for a long time to add to my collection and they haven't shown up at any price that I've seen.

[Ron a.k.a. Grouchy Pants]

Despite what anyone has to say about you messing with that pretty white, she's a beautiful car as is. I really like that you added the others to your pics, they all look really good. Thanks for sharing.

[bsoder]

Mr. Gray does give it a good size perspective!...wonderful build man

[Danno]

Nice!!!

But, yeah ... too clean. A lot of those cars were even a little grimy when brand spanking new, before their first race. Something about being built in blacksmith shops!

[sjordan2]

I like the gray guy. As Tony says, it adds size perspective, and to me, it doesn't distract from the build. Sort of like a department store mannequin that's just there to show how the clothing looks.

Edited July 8, 2011 by sjordan2