Need a Little Help Here - Cibie Headlamps

[Danno]

Remember Cibie rectangular headlamps? They were European and quite the rage for customizing in the 60's and 70's. I need a pair (1/25th of course).

Can anybody steer me to any recent or fairly recent kits that have a pair? I don't need to buy or trade for them, I'm sure my vast stash includes some kits that have them, I just don't know where to look and I don't want to have to go through hundreds of kits if someone happens to know the answer.

Thanks in advance!! I'll be semi-eternally grateful.

[martinfan5]

Learn something new every day, today I learned that danno has a vast stash of kits , and there was more here, but I removed it to stay out of trouble

I did not know about those headlights , kind of cool

Edited June 20, 2012 by martinfan5

[CorvairJim]

The AMT 1969 Corvair has them, in the Corvair's unique pointed oval headlight surrounds.You should be able to modify the surrounds for your purposes. If you need a set or two, let me know.

[martinfan5]

Because I dont know, what is about the headlights that made the cool for customizing?

[Danno]

Because I dont know, what is about the headlights that made the cool for customizing?

Uhhh .... The shape.

At that point in time, federal highway regulations in the U.S. allowed only round headlamps. Customizers were able to create new concepts by utilizing foreign components. As far as I know, the Cibie (french) headlamps such as this unit from a '75 Ford Taunus were the first non-round headlamps that found wide acceptance by rodders and customizers as alternatives to boring old round lamps.

I'll bill you later for the home schooling.

Thanks for the tip, Jim!

[martinfan5]

Thank you for the history lesson, now I understand, so when where square headlights legal here?.

If you could hold off on sending me the bill tell next month, and make sure you send it to my current address

Edited June 20, 2012 by martinfan5

[MrObsessive]

IIRC, square headlamps began to get wide use starting with the 1975 model year with GM's full sizers. The rest quickly followed suit as is usually the case with the auto industry in the next model year or two.

[Junkman]

As far as I know, the Cibie (french) headlamps such as this unit from a '75 Ford Taunus were the first non-round headlamps that found wide acceptance by rodders and customizers as alternatives to boring old round lamps.

I'll bill you later for the home schooling.

If you mean the unit of the car you posted in the OP, that's a 1961-1969 Citroen Ami 6.

Check the AMT '66 Mustang kit. IIRC it contained a set of European type headlamps since the Sony and Cher days.

To replicate the typically French yellow bulbs, I did a tutorial here:

http://www.scalemodelcarz.com/enter/thread-2013-page-2.html

Let me know if you need a few of the beads, I have more than enough of them.

Oh, and I'll bill you later for the home schooling.

[trogdor]

I think it started around 77 and was slowly introduced through the early 80's

[Junkman]

A short history on Federal headlamp legislation:

In 1940, a consortium of state motor vehicle administrators standardised upon a system of two 7 in round sealed beam headlamps on all vehicles – the only system allowed for 17 years. A system of four round lamps, rather than two – one high/low and one high-beam 53⁄4 in sealed beam on each side – was introduced in 1957 by Cadillac, Chrysler and Nash on some of their car models in states that permitted the new system, and other American marques followed suit when all states permitted quad lamps in 1958.

Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard 108 was amended in 1974 to permit rectangular headlamps. By 1979 there was practically no car Made in USA that didn't have them. But they were still standardized Sealed Beams.

In 1983, granting a 1981 petition from Ford Motor Company, the 44-year-old U.S. headlamp regulations were amended to allow replaceable-bulb, nonstandard-shape, architectural headlamps with aerodynamic lenses similar to the ones used in Europe. The first American car to use a replaceable-bulb headlamps since 1939 was the 1984 Continental MK VII.

Edited June 20, 2012 by Junkman

[crazyjim]

And now some cars have really weird lights - almost real bright LEDs that go around the headlight.

[george 53]

Yep, BOTH the 66 T-Bird AND 66 Mustang have them!!!

Edited June 20, 2012 by george 53

[Brizio]

I have a pair of Cibie, but they have a cover (where it is write Cibie:D) and they are round.

[Danno]

If you mean the unit of the car you posted in the OP, that's a 1961-1969 Citroen Ami 6.

Check the AMT '66 Mustang kit. IIRC it contained a set of European type headlamps since the Sony and Cher days.

To replicate the typically French yellow bulbs, I did a tutorial here:

http://www.scalemode...013-page-2.html

Let me know if you need a few of the beads, I have more than enough of them.

Oh, and I'll bill you later for the home schooling.

The website that provided the illustration identified the car as a '75 Ford Taunus. I thought it looked earlier than '75.

I knew also that Peugeot and Citroen utilized the traditional Cibie lamps that customizers and rodders seized upon.

Thanks for the tip on the '66 Mustang ... I had forgotten about the Sonny & Cher components.

And, when I get your bill, I'll send payment along ~~~ as soon as Johnathan has paid his! It's a zero-sum game.

[Danno]

I have a pair of Cibie, but they have a cover (where it is write Cibie:D) and they are round.

Those would be accessory driving lights; not what I'm looking for. See the image in the original post.

Thanks.

[Junkman]

The website that provided the illustration identified the car as a '75 Ford Taunus. I thought it looked earlier than '75.

It clearly shows a 61-> Ami 6

The German Ford Taunus used architectural headlamps first on the 1960 model:

And, when I get your bill, I'll send payment along ~~~ as soon as Johnathan has paid his! It's a zero-sum game.

Yeah, if Jonathan would lecture me on something, I could pay him to make it a real zero sum game.

Edited June 20, 2012 by Junkman

[Danno]

I'm not challenging you or arguing the point, Junkman. I just indicated that I was relying on the website's identification ... not having personal familiarity to rely upon. As I said, I thought the lamps pre-dated '75 and even the car itself looked much earlier than '75.

It's not unlike the common computer caveat: Garbage In, Garbage Out.

Thanks, too, for the tutorial.

[Junkman]

I'm not challenging you or arguing the point, Junkman. I just indicated that I was relying on the website's identification ... not having personal familiarity to rely upon. As I said, I thought the lamps pre-dated '75 and even the car itself looked much earlier than '75.

It's not unlike the common computer caveat: Garbage In, Garbage Out.

Thanks, too, for the tutorial.

I just thought you'd find it interesting to see the car the lights are from. Those Ami 6 headlamps were also used by many European customizers at the time, so where the Taunus units. They were also used on dodgems, which I think are called bumper-cars over beyond?

[Harold]

Several of the olderAMT kits from the '60's offered Cibie lamps as custom options. Off the top of my head, the "66 T-Bird has a pair.

[Junkman]

Isn't there a set in the Countdown Series '66 Mercury as well?

Gosh, my memory is patchy.

[Danno]

Hey, you guys are great!

Thanks to all who provided info.

Found just what I needed, and in no time at all!!