Pocherphile Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 (edited) This is my favorite all time photo...........I love old B/W photography, then you add a car........I am hooked. I call this "Hauling Butt" Edited March 4, 2014 by Pocherphile Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f1ford48 Posted March 4, 2014 Author Share Posted March 4, 2014 yes- the few ive seen did look like the Fiat was involved.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocherphile Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 yes- the few ive seen did look like the Fiat was involved... I believe that he sold the rights to the design to the mfger, @ one time I knew the name of the company that popped this kit..........then after seeing that it would sell, Mr Pocher decided to make that same kit his 1st venture....albit.......the Fiat as we know it. The Fiat was the very 1st kit marked w/Pocher as the Logo............and the rest is History. Rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cato Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 When I worked in a restoration shop, my path to work was some of the streets of Huntington that were once the Vanderbuilt course. Some of those back streets and houses were probably just like they were in '08... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f1ford48 Posted March 4, 2014 Author Share Posted March 4, 2014 This is my favorite all time photo...........I love old B/W photography, then you add a car........I am hooked. I call this "Hauling Butt" this is how PH used to paint-in motion. my guess its a Mercedes or ITALA? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f1ford48 Posted March 4, 2014 Author Share Posted March 4, 2014 When I worked in a restoration shop, my path to work was some of the streets of Huntington that were once the Vanderbuilt course. Some of those back streets and houses were probably just like they were in '08... amazing....so much history there.. did you ever go to the LI auto Museum? I guess I have to get to the Henry Ford sometime to see OLD16 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cato Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 amazing....so much history there.. did you ever go to the LI auto Museum? I guess I have to get to the Henry Ford sometime to see OLD16 Yes in the '80's. Went to Mitchell Field too and saw the Jug in natural metal there--GAWDD!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocherphile Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 Oh My, on eBay a Old 16...........started low bid, but I have already bidded and I will tell you now, I bidded way higher than most would, this time I will not let slip thru my fingers like I allowed a few weeks ago f/a certain ITC kit!!!!!!!!!!!!! Alls fair in love and war................. Rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f1ford48 Posted March 6, 2014 Author Share Posted March 6, 2014 I saw that one too-check the contents closely as it has been messed with- parts taken out of the stampings etc.....Good Luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocherphile Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 Yea, I noticed that, what I really want is the plastic parts, the rest can be scratch made........... Rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f1ford48 Posted March 6, 2014 Author Share Posted March 6, 2014 Yea, I noticed that, what I really want is the plastic parts, the rest can be scratch made........... Rick I looked at it again and its fine-they just took off the frame rails and the rest is numbered and fine-rare to get a plastic packet still sealed[almost]! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocherphile Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 I looked at it again and its fine-they just took off the frame rails and the rest is numbered and fine-rare to get a plastic packet still sealed[almost]! Yea, she's a keeper...........I did get the one I ordered last week, today in the mail! So I already have one, 100% complete. So if'n I do win this one, I think I am going to give it ago, build using what comes in the box and see just what can be done with the material as provided by a kit that is older than I am! Of course, the chain will be sourced.........1/12th motorcycle chain w/sprockets. Rick PS: I have become addicted to these Hudson Miniature kits...........they just fascinate the he hockey sticks outta me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjordan2 Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 (edited) cato... When I worked in a restoration shop, my path to work was some of the streets of Huntington that were once the Vanderbuilt course. Some of those back streets and houses were probably just like they were in '08... There's a new series on the Velocity channel called "Americarna" with Hendrick Motorsports crew chief Jeff Evernham as host. Today, there was a rebroadcast of of their show on the Vanderbilt Cup races in Long Island from 1904-1910, featuring the restored Alco "Black Beast (Bete Noire)" that won the 09-10 races. It has a discussion of the role of the "mechanician," as mentioned in one of these related threads, and great vintage photos and movie film (the first sports movies ever). Keep your eyes open and see if it it comes up again. [i think Velocity is on HD channels only.] Edited March 9, 2014 by sjordan2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f1ford48 Posted March 9, 2014 Author Share Posted March 9, 2014 (edited) my OLD 16 is posted on the Vanderbilt site in the mystery photo section. Howard [site manager and owner of the ALCO] sent a nice letter complementing me on it. The Black Beast would not be too hard to build as a curbside- I sure have the parts to do it! in earlier photos of the car it looks like it had a cream colored chassis that would be awesome with the black body. Edited March 9, 2014 by f1ford48 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocherphile Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 my OLD 16 is posted on the Vanderbilt site in the mystery photo section. Howard [site manager and owner of the ALCO] sent a nice letter complementing me on it. The Black Beast would not be too hard to build as a curbside- I sure have the parts to do it! in earlier photos of the car it looks like it had a cream colored chassis that would be awesome with the black body. Please do............that would be just the cats meow............the Black Beast..........oh yea baby. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjordan2 Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 (edited) my OLD 16 is posted on the Vanderbilt site in the mystery photo section. Howard [site manager and owner of the ALCO] sent a nice letter complementing me on it. The Black Beast would not be too hard to build as a curbside- I sure have the parts to do it! in earlier photos of the car it looks like it had a cream colored chassis that would be awesome with the black body. You might be able to add an engine. It's a triple T-head. You might see if the show is on YouTube. EDIT: You can find some short clips here... http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=americarna%20vanderbilt%20cup&sm=12 PS: The show will air again on Velocity HD this coming Thursday, March 13, at 10 pm Eastern. Interesting note: Evernham observed that the Black Beast may have been the first instance of race car cheating, since it was 80 hp over the maximum allowable horsepower. Edited March 9, 2014 by sjordan2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocherphile Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 OMG.............Frank you gotta do one of these, I was just looking @ this car Friday night and wondering what would one use to build it. What parts are you looking @ f/a build if you do build. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f1ford48 Posted March 9, 2014 Author Share Posted March 9, 2014 OMG.............Frank you gotta do one of these, I was just looking @ this car Friday night and wondering what would one use to build it. What parts are you looking @ f/a build if you do build. yea-see how cool those cream colored frame rails look? well-the Thomas Flyer in 1/16 looks like a good candidate for the hood sides,[has louvers] radiator shell, possibly an engine. the ITALA for a frame. rest would be scratch- another BIG project!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjordan2 Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 Here's a larger picture of the car with the cream frame rails. Very cool. Here's the car restored to its Vanderbilt Cup livery, as featured on the "Americarna" show. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cato Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 Just beautiful. I don't understand after stripping the whole car, why they left the fender braces on?? And 100MPH without even a strap across your waist-sheesh. As an aside to this, one of you guys have GOT to start building the early, aero-engined LSR cars. true monsters on wheels. You know, Pendine Sands cars... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f1ford48 Posted March 10, 2014 Author Share Posted March 10, 2014 (edited) the fender braces are for a canvas mud flap-like a fender -installed when conditions were muddy. I think there are other vintage pics with this flap installed. imagine how much mud that front tire could sling off- right towards the driver! Edited March 10, 2014 by f1ford48 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cato Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 Makes sense-thanks Frank. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocherphile Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 I believe this is about the most popular thread here, so many ideas, a cool build and others being formulated. I lucked up today and snagged another Old 16 off of eBay....$22.50 + ship.............a far cry from what the one from Gasolinealley set be back...... . But, hey, thats the breaks............and I now have one to build, one to put up. Frank, you used a plastic frame on your build, could you please divulge that info. I am looking @ using printers plate for the hood, a thin metal very easy to bend and make into the simple shape of the hood. I also want to make the raditor out of brass shim, the fuel cell from a copper tube w/ends.......what do you recommend for the wheels and tires......not too crazy about the plastic ones in the kit. Rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocherphile Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 (edited) Just beautiful. I don't understand after stripping the whole car, why they left the fender braces on?? And 100MPH without even a strap across your waist-sheesh. As an aside to this, one of you guys have GOT to start building the early, aero-engined LSR cars. true monsters on wheels. You know, Pendine Sands cars... Cato, you are sett'in the bar high.........there is a FIAT I have wanted too for along time to build, and just as you pointed out, this beast has a aero engine, the body is so tall, the driver has to look over the side to drive the thing................a seed plated can grow into a tree. Rick Edited March 10, 2014 by Pocherphile Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cato Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 ................a seed plated can grow into a tree. Rick Hee-hee-he... there's a method to my madness! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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